Journal of a wondering mind through the multiverse.
Since 5-20
Censorship facebook, parallel universes, and why my dog wont come to me anymore. Thank you to Maroon that ran across the wires of CERN 5 20
Hello, My name is Clinton Siegle. I posted under 'https://cosmofunnel.com/user/26088 until 5 23 when facebook decided I was not whom I am. Fair enough. I posted political crap and solutions to odd problems. Example Bernie Sanders ' write him in for President screw the system. The computers are rigged anyway. To Vote Trump because ideology does nto keep the witch out of the White house. My autograph collection online was roughly 523 from famoius scientist to wonderful looking ladies. If you have a chance look at my past posts.
Now that leaves us to why am I writing this on this Clint Siegle line instead. First off sicne 5 20 I have been bouncing around per night to new realities of myself. You say what drugs are you on_ Insulin and metaformin. What have you had to drink Sunday I drank a pitcher of reheated twice sanganine. But did not feel the affect that I was hoping for.
So in these travelers what have I discovered is a question. Five things which are wild and a seventh which I will briefly discribe. First off colors today I am in a red and light blue world. The womens asses are wonderful. So far I have not seen any ugly women which is a remarkable discovery. You might say your eye not eyes are different. I felt my wife up today and let alone is her bum firm and nice she is even cuter then yesterday.
Yesterday I was in grumpy world where the colors ran purple and green. You say what colors. To be specific the broom brushes that are used to clean up the place. You say they just got new brooms. I would agree with that but today not yesterday the brooms are old and blue not green and the red broom is down stairs not upstairs. What is the meaning of this and what is the world does this mean. Good question I have no answer for you. All I can say is I have watched the polls on Trump and Hillary for the past few days and there is a wide difference on who is winning and by what percentages.
The skinny worlds with extrememly regal women seem to allow Hillary to win but here is the kicker Bernie Sanders won Kentucky. The fattier the world then Trump beats Hillary by a wide margin after looking into the gossip they also seem more relfective of wider NSA coverage. Meaning the Skinny people are afraid for their lives while the fat people seem to not care and will talk about GM bailout email where Chinese got ahold of it costing the bankrupcty court billions due to her not using asecure server etc. Who knows I am not sure if the storyw as true but 1818 secret emails classilied after the fact makes me wonder. And guess what I am fat ... The reaon is difference in what is considered important.}
Example I gave 5 22 was wallet as a gift versus something fun to play with. The difference is perfection also. RTrumps daughter is beautiful in all of them but in teh perfected beautiful woman world she is regal. Just sdying these trips are so far are wild. Meaning I am a satirous first off andmy humor is more an awkward silence until the person realizes two or three days later that I gave them an insight on what the world is like. Then I get usually a conversation where I am asked something is about something differnet and tehnweusaully are friends in a different way tehn most. Meaning I am not a friendly person. }
Meaning I did my work well. I loved my family and after that did not have a life nor if the library was good did I purchase or do much outside of those two activies. }
Now I am finding out secrets from acress universes which are interesting but I have no one to tell them too. Meaning if you are clinically insane few people want to talk with you and having had a mental breakdown in 2014 after losing my left foot I would not say I am or was all together there or here.-
Anyway back to my story today notices is my wall páper teh drtagon with a cloud under it has now become a dog dragon and the cloud has doubled in size. My wife along with every other Bolivia woman ass has gotten noticable to me.
Yesterday Monday cant say much other than personalities changed.}
Sunday personalities, hotel staircase which was able to fit five people across was now only possible to have four people and they changed the title. You say people update and change things all the time here in Bolivia and I could agree with you but this is my third time tot he hotel and know from falling that I should be able to put my brace three times to the handrail to get up. Here they let alone was less room there were hand rails on both sides of the staircase.
So what else have I noticed. If you watch youtube videos I was number 402 when I first looked this up and now there is 5000 plus people that have watched it.
Attached email letter to a friend a few days ago. and other dtories
CERN what have you done?
Where to begin?
Let me start with my wife has rearranged the furniture upstairs installed a door lock on a door and some how now can fit 12 people in a space last week we had problem fitting 8 people.
This might not sound big but to me it means I am not where I began. This is not my world.
Next I thought I was the person responsible for moving me to here and there. I discovered that I am not even on the back board of the chess pieces. I might be a far left pawn or even off the board at present. The person responsible I met yesterday. I am not sure how to say this but life is interesting.
Game of Thrones - I am not sure where to begin. First the plot has changed a bit. I read all the books starting 98 through. I think this parallel universe is called the practical universe. That is at least what I call it now. I could not put my finger on the change until I realized a few things.
It started with gifts my kids showed me receiving. A wallet? What in the world would a person give a person a wallet for? I asked. She replied that her cousin gave it to her because she was now older and did not need a wallet. I am sure this makes perfectly good sense to people here in practical land but to me this is like saying I have out grown my socks. Who does not need a wallet?
The Game of Thrones scene where they spend 10 to 15 minutes consulting who is on their side and who will stand with them or against and sending the emerald knight away to get their uncles army was like what the and where the am I.
In my world you do not plan such things in a movie. The plot moves along the lines of confront overcome or be overcome and gamble to see if you win or lose. Here I think without counting your men to see if you have enough you might even surrender the north versus fight to the death which is like a lot of poetry in my parallel universe.
Napoleon versus Nepoleon you spell it the first way I spell it the second. This has changed and I know it. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xnepoleon.TRS0&_nkw=nepoleon&_sacat=0
What else - I must say that the women here are much more beautiful and practical I believe is the word. It took me a while to put a description on this until I saw someone that I knew from high school on facebook. Either they can doctor the photos here really well or a person can lose 50 pounds without much problems within a week is all I can say. Instead of a cute puffy face she seemed regal.
Finally Math skills and so forth. I am impressed here everyone seems to know math and technical terminology along with the programming skills for spell check is much more advanced then in my world. I would call this the practical math beautiful woman world while I will call my home parallel world gambling story driven world.
Just a note - I must not be a good friend here only one out 10 answered my question. Either my question is not understood which is possible or I do not communicate well here. I am not sure which.
A final aside money seems to be a driving force here. The community of helping each other out has shifted. I would not say people are non giving but they seem a different nature instead of a spirit of giving it is more like the practical side of if I do not need it and someone else needs it give it to them which is nice. It is interesting also. If I did what I did in my universe I hopefully was a very giving person here. If not I am not sure.
CERN what the h e double hockey sticks am I watching on television
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_Z9ejD-yto
Wayward pines - I remember this story. What I am watching is not the story I remember. I remember not liking it that much for season one due to the murder of one FBi agent left in a house and a waitress whom everyone in the town just watched having her throat slit.
What the h e double LL am I watching now - this is my recollection - Since 2015, he stars on the Fox television series, Empire. The former was created by Lee Daniels and Danny Strong in which he plays a hip-hop mogul who discovers he is dying and must ensure the survival of his music empire. The cast includes Taraji P. Henson and Gabourey Sidibe. He was also part of the Fox series Wayward Pines, which ran for one season in 2015. The latter series was produced by M. Night Shyamalanand also included cast members Matt Dillon, Melissa Leo, and Juliette Lewis. NOTE ONE SEASON this - this program is not what I watched.
Friends my eyesight is bad. Being blinded with blood I realize I do not see the world correctly but Friends Chandler Bing actor either has been doctored up or in this universe the world has better looking people.
How to Train my Dragon. The hero's nose is completely different. I remember him with a more hawkish face. This face this this is not whom I remember in that movie.
Talking with my family current reality is wild. I must either be a big flirt here or a stud. Myself I was or am a conservative due to verbal abuse so this new found approach to being able to speak my mind and swear if I desired to is refreshing but not my world. Blue to Red not Red to Blue..
I am getting more excited to watch Game of Thrones. What if what I watched these past three weeks sucked on purpose because the director either did not provide enough back ground or those few seconds to capture the moment on purpose. The movies here suck in two different ways. It seems that people actually speak everything out. Example Wayward pines - the guy instead of rushing in and killing everyone opposing him. HE actually says hold up and put your weapons on the ground and only one shots and he kills that one while the rest surrounds what the h e double hockey sticks world is this. We do not plan We act. We do not take prisoners we survive. How have I survived the zombies and sharks? Being more than they are. ONE Season not Two Season for Wayward Pines.
Wild the story line different. The approach different. The plot of people living tres or two years being able to wake up in a bed without being drained. This world is wild. I wonder if I could survive here.
Wild. I do not know what I am watching but the clarity is I am not where I was. Also I just notice my wife's hair is pulled back not curly and out. I think I have a new wife. At least now the Simpson's are on. If I get back remember blue to red red to blue..
Now the Simpson the world global shows up and what the some how South America has moved about six hundred miles towards Africa. What the.. Marge is dancing as a pop singer?
Wild I knew the author that died recently. Having meet him on line he was trying to find someone to help his dogs before he died. Now I just watched a Purge of I think my spanish is not that bad economist. This is wild.
What am I watching. I just watched Simpson take a standardized test without a joke. The department of standardized test - who the heck are they? There so far has not been a single joke. Not a single joke or anyhing but Bart playing with a bug. What is this? Skinner is begging here in this world what happened to his attitude? What is this Homer is moving a parking meter for coins and not drinking beer nor working at the nuclear plant.
What is this Bart takes the exam. The government says it will destroy the school? What is this? Now Train my dragon - and the hero again is not the hero I remember.. Who in the world makes this up. Being pushed down the rabbit hole makes me wonder what else I am missing?
I checked my inside of my shoe again just to check. I buy Sketchers. But my shoe says Skecher - either I am in a knockoff world or someone has no sense of spelling.
New looking at Nepoleon which makes the word Despotism which was given to Nopoleon due to his placing all his family on the thrones of Europe is now spelled Napoleon. Another reason I remember Nepoleon was I played war of Waterloo for three years and now I can not find it.
Skinner wild - instead of lining people pulling fire alarm instead of lining everyone up and moving them out - in this world they pair up and have a fire mate to leave the building? I think this would cause some people to be burnt up instead of leaving a building. So maybe this is the unsafe world.
The purge of the Simpson is the program is now trying to tell kids to study and pass a standardized test? he is having a nightmare that the school would be destroyed because he failed the exam and destroy the town? What in the world - who is running the Simpsons? Where was the humor? Satire is dead I think. Maybe this is just a bad dream.
The police now have Simpson and they give a lecture instead of firing their gun. What in the world? I am sure now I am not in a good universe. Either humor is dead or Barts sister is evil in this universe where in my world she would try to help Bart succeed in the test versus give B which in my world the answer is C the most common answer to multiply choice tests..
Also there seems to be a hell of a lot more commercials. I must get out of here. Maybe I will try a spell tonight. My fear is what happens if this gets me someplace worst. So far in five days I have noticed in one of those days my dog was scared of me. I figure the dog rule applies through the universe parallel affects. Meaning in one of these universe I owe some people an apology or I need to find me and beat the shit out of him. Being blind and one legged this requires me some thing to think about. More commercials. this place is trying to sell something I am not sure. Still no humor with Bart Simpson what the hell is going on with comedy in this parallel world?
Just got back from my walk to find a mountain. It is not where I sat and watched a few days ago. I think I will have to try a taxi for a movie today to see it.
This place is different from yesterday. Better in ways less friendly in other ways. There are few to no dogs here. In my world there are dogs.
The food taste better. Yesterday a dorito tasted like old spray cheese crust at the tip you would get if the first person used it on your cracker. The cookies yesterday tasted ike vanillia candy cardboard wrapper. I am going to the movies so I will tell you about the food there. Here yesterday I could not stomach the chicken. Today I got meatballs and sauce which was wonderful. Yesterday Toyota one 5 to against Nissan 1. Today the variety of cars are a mix. Fords, a symbol brand I do not recognize but Nissan and Toyota are pretty much the same in the numbers sold and in use on the van route.
People changes the cookie store instead of a chilita or a modern girl there is a boy working it. The building two away from the computer shop color of green changed. The trees the leaves are falling off the trees where as yesterday all the trees were with green leaves. The most telling is doors and graffiti one door which was new yesterday is old today. This is a richer world there are more cars and I even saw a Arizona State University bumper sticker along with a sticker that in english read worst day at the beach bets best day at work. IF you do not understand I am in Bolivia. That sticker at this elevation makes no sense and was not nor did the house have a trooper truck in front of it yesterday. The women are dressing nicer here I would say modern business casual. Men are dressing in suit and tie but that is weird yesterday they were more casual dressing.
OFf to the movies..
Clint, I don't know where you are in Bolivia; but I assume you are in La paz. Illumini mountain bears 110 degrees True at 25 statute miles from La Paz town center....it looks beautiful. Napoleon...is how the plucky short french dictator was spelled. I think you might have some sort of spacial disorientation disorder. I DON't think this has anything to do with the odd, subtle and consistent changes to any form of media entertainment that you might have developed an emotional attachment to. Basically...if it's done on a screen, it can be manipulated. It might be a spiritual oppression and that is what I'm concerned about. Praying of you my friend.
7:16 PM
On Jun 9, Peter said the following:
When Jesus was tempted by the devil in the wilderness, one could surmise that Jesus was seeing things...but it was more than that.
9:11 PM
Monday
On Monday, Clinton Siegle said the following:
https://cosmofunnel.com/stories/a-dairy-of-sorts-92183Pete all I can say is I am seeing things change. Physically - my mother in laws broom color has changed. Mount illimonti position has changed.
10:08 AM
On Monday, Clinton Siegle said the following:
Pete can you look something up. I do not recall this -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Montauk_Project:_Experiments_in_Time I recall the ship project but nothing on time travel.. thanks
Pete,
At 2:35 PM, Clinton Siegle said the following:
Illimani in 2005 Highest point Elevation 6,438 m (21,122 ft) [1] Prominence 2,451 m (8,041 ft) [2] Listing Ultra Coordinates 16°38′00″S 67°47′27″WCoordinates: 16°38′00″S 67°47′27″W [2] does this equate to 110 degrees?
How to say this I have three specific recollections to speak about.
First time is fluid. In Bolivia they have memorial services remembering people 2 and 10 and 20 years after death. Last night my wife uninvited me to go to Javier's mothers memorial again. She sort of uninvited me so I think I am not liked here as much as where I was at. Javiers parents were padre de torta or parents of the wedding cake for us at our wedding. So reflecting on that I am either in a two month delay or medicine or events changed by 2 months here.
Second feelings and memories. Last night my wife also found my handwritten journal and out of 5 pages I only got 2 back. Those were doodles which were more important than the writings. You see since 5-20 I have watched from my kids bedroom a Precious Moment framed painting move from left at a 8 53 position down to a 5 33 position then stretch across. Adding red ribbons of 5 which then began to be hiding in the same position. Meaning the painting either was nailed after the ribbons were in place or some rather delicate handiwork was done. Today all 15 positions that I normally counted on that wall are gone. I can not see mount Illimani, the brooms colors seem the same. The wall paper bears are still there along with a dragon dog but it seems a little different still. That is recollection of me personally for today.
Fiction or another mental picture actually two - one of vivid memories and with more detail than the other. Instead of being a scheduler planner with a degree in microbiology I for some reason became an accountant. I went to work for Titian was classified work at that time in 1996 to 2000 was part of the manned Mars location. This is wild because I do not recall anything about Mars here or there. Anyway politically I am a newbie and reported something about overcharges to some fuel or engine and was dismissed. Now here is the recurring part he to had his wife find his journal and they fought and she did the exact same removal of the painting etc on the wall.
Fiction again this is one that is scary.
Some how I became a microbiologist working for a DoD lab outside of New Orleans 2003. We syn·the·sized a combination rabies ebola virus that was suppose to burn out of the host after death. It did not. hurricane katrina 2003 was called in by a weather satellite but this time George Bush did not blow up the breakers ad dam channel and the military instead of blowing up the lab and using salt water and fire to santize the whole area went in saved a version of me and put the rest of the people in barrels alive. The virus was not contained and in 2005 I can remember losing my mind as I started towards a person I recognize on facebook. The feeling after 2005 was at times indescribable sexuality as I felt my mouth move but I can honestly say I did not see anything or feel anything after that... Not enjoying this trip last night..
On May 20th I awoke with a start. There was a strange woman in the house yelling go here go there.. Do this do that. I wondered what was up. She told me to get dress and out so I went.
I got to the place to see it had changed. A new wall was up. A new check in line formed. A new lighted sitting room await.
I waited. I got up with my mother in law doppleganger to get a taxi. She aruged with the taxi driver for three times and finally paid the fourth the same rate as the other 3. 15 Bs to the Embassy we went. What is this The embassy had changed. The windows instead of big and wide were now elongated and narrow. The power of the place spoke of fear not power to be there. My eyes were not sure nor what to say so I just walked into the office and paid.
Out of the appointment into the next cab. We argued twice before my in law doppleganger would let 15 bs go. I thought strange this place two days ago the price by 18 bs. But again I was blind in one eye and tired from lack of cookies so away I went to my home or not my parallel resting abode.
There I discovered as I looked around that pictures had moved and so had some clowns. I thought to myself my wife had moved all the furniture in the night and the painting moving from left to right nailed in place well who knows maybe I am not right in the head. Then off to a shower and that is when I discovered it.
you might say what did you discover? socks.. Someone had replaced all my socks.. You say what is wrong with you. Why are or is that important. I live in Bolivia and my two friends are my socks and my dog. Now both are gone. Lost to this shifting of time and places. I have seen hairy worlds, perfection worlds, beautiful worlds, ugly worlds. I have seen camel toe worlds, I have seen nice ass worlds.. But What I miss most is my socks. My dog is here but he won't come to his name. He is benji dear to my doppleganger wife.
I have other tales to tell this was day one. But what to say what to care .. no one does care..
I did not jump. 18 points not one changed that I can tell.
brooms same color.
The difference is something I am not sure - cell tower seems like it has moved closer. However I did not have that as one of my 18 points.
The paint is splished, the dragon wallpaper, brooms, all things I could see close. Now I am not sure about my mountain.
Journal - I still can not read. Typing by chance with one eye is a bit surreal but I can handle that.
Today a screaming woman. What she is mad about or whom I have no idea. How a person can handle this .. calm cool collective - I am starting a hard magic spell today. I am just not sure of the usages here. Protection first. How to do that. Red around my arm. Prayers..
Journal - I am afraid to watch the television. Mentally since 5-20 I am sure that I am being screamed at for something. I think this world has lost its satire. Joking about what is truth that hurts is the only way to laugh.
oddities remembered - dogs I saw one stray so far black dog with vaccination ribbon.
yesterday I saw wolf like dogs long hair.. Not sure maybe change but again I was not looking at dogs.
Bathroom floor 7 by 8.
Skecher shows.
Still no sign of mountain.
Cell tower is to close to be where it was yesterday. I think it is sitting where the pharacy was yesterday. I wonder ..
My eyesight is bad.
Either some colors are different or I could not see them.
Illimani is no longer in visible sight. Per a person it is three hills over to be seen.
Dogs saw small white dogs, one fuzy dog one black dog. No wolf dog. Saw a brown dog.
Personalities satire is dead here. I realize now I am to be quiet and never to speak again. EVil is this place.
No community I believe it is run by money and not community.
Magic my revenge is different - I think I will becoming into money soon.
journal clear cache clear broser history - someone is watching from here.
I know now why I am skinny here.
Doritos taste like old spray can cheese and cookies texture and taste is like cardboard wrapper with a little vanillia flavor stuck to it. Who can eat this ikie stuff. I think I am going to starve to death.
Susan Hill you are not alone. #comment-179028" class="linkified" target="_new">#comment-179028" class="linkified" target="_new">https://cosmofunnel.com/stories/censorship-facebook-parallel-universes-and-why-my-dog-wont-come-to-me-anymore-thank-you-to#comment-179028
Today I got my facebook account back. Guess it is not CERN that was eating my ID but Hillary Clinton ie I am political nut and was using BernieFriend Finder to remind 1000s of people to vote. Guess what happened as soon as new jersey closed.. I got my account back. After 24 emails showing my drivers ID, letters, and library card. Thus I am back http://www.petitions24.com/i_will_be_writing_in_bernie_sanders_along_downvoting_both_rnc_dnc
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Te agradecemos que hayas confirmado tu identidad. Hemos desbloqueado la cuenta, por lo que ya deberías poder acceder a ella. Lamentamos las molestias.
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As for my travels in the past three days I have visited ta few new locations.
Example today Chile which is right below California in my timeline is 5500 kilometers away from the longitude where I recall it it from. A 11 hour flight is now 23 hours. What new to say my mother in laws brooms change noted it was repaired yesterday and today the handle has no repair. The funny part for today is I am fat. Meaning my belt broke. As for major news CNN and BBC seem lacking in everything. My computer is still broken so i am not sure what to say there or do. I am renting a computer now. Three days ago I was in camel toe world. I could not for the world look away from my wife. I believe that either I was from an older world with less luck. Just thinking of that brings back my trip to a place two sundays ago. I was in unlucky world. Meaning I have lived here now since August of 2015 never having problems with the plants in the house only to have two plants try to clobber me on the head within 30 minutes and for no apparent reaon. What else to say. My letter to
Harriet Jarlett
harriet.jarlett@cern.ch has not been responded to. In the letter I detailed a two details at that time which were true. Now I believe distance has changed along with luck factor. Anyway I asked who was paying for my trip back home. Ms. Jarlett has not responded nor replied making me believe that I should sue France for this bad vacation I am having. Meaning I am actually have fun but this unexpected travel is ruining my political activity and the different details people perceive as secrets between one universe and another is major i think. Example ' in my universe Obama went to Vietnam to apologies for the war while currently here he want to offer them weapongs to fight China. Anyways since I have gotten my old account back come and read what happens. I am excited about this and wonder what new and weird things will happen. Example yesterday my view from my house misplaced the whole mountain of Illimanti. Today it is back but in closer view making me think I am either coming close to ending my travel or because I am fat again not skinny whether I have fallen into some good and weird drug mix and have not a clue as to where the h am I.
On a side note if I have traveled to 21 estimated worlds with myself the three ideas that are seeming the truth. Thinks do not change. Meaning I was hoping someone in one of these places would have either won the lottery, etc. No such luck as of yet. Two personalities due change with color music television programs etc. Three out of several hundred people that I pestered with this only one replied. His email reply is within the above story. What does that mean' simple I will be forgotten faster then most people. Peace Susan if you do have the chance Ask Ms. Jarlett if there is a law suit I could join. I want a refund on this trip. _Not complaining about the women. Beautiful and all that. Just I was hoping more like I was good looking and millionaire in one of them. So far no such luck and trying to figure out if I am the one moving stuff or my reality is changing is fun and complex but I figure that out almost with in 3 hours each morning. Meaning for awhile there I was weirded out in that windows were bigger and someone came in and rearranged the furniture same furniture just not in the same place. Did I care.. not really.. Did I think for the first few days my wife was trying to kill me but putting a desk someplace where I walked yes. Until I asked and found out the reason for the desk being there. _Humor... anyways Susan remember your past. As for me getting home. Until Illimanti shows up at my breakfast table at my 4 27 mark and shoes say Sketcher instead of Skecher this is me for tonight. Care on the good fight. In looking up more of this were you expecting to take a bridge or ferry to statue of Liberaty. Peace
Susan Hill
June 07 2016, 03:38pm -0700
WOW. I am still sitting here with my mind reeling and coming down after that fascinating ride. Roller Coaster in this reality. The thing I found most interesting or disturbing... is that I can RELATE TO ALL OF IT!!!! I thought I was just going a wee bit nuts.. but for about a year or so i keep having days where everything seems UNREAL... that is the only way I can describe it... Where I will turn and ask a friend.. "Hey does the world seem different to you today"? The friend of course looks at me like I am insane... and mumbles something to put me off subject... I notice now but I do not question.. I am a silent person realizing that something is UP>> and that the covers are about to be pulled on this illusion we call REALITY.... HA !! tHEY ARE COMING TO GET ME haha..
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Censorship facebook, parallel universes, and why my dog wont come to me anymore. Thank you to Maroon that ran across the wires of CERN 5'20
Hello, My name is Clinton Siegle. I posted under 'https://cosmofunnel.com/user/26088 until 5 23 when facebook decided I was not whom I am. Fair enough. I posted political crap and solutions to odd problems. Example Bernie Sanders ' write him in for President screw the system. The computers are rigged anyway. To Vote Trump because ideology does nto keep the witch out of the White house. My autograph collection online was roughly 523 from famoius scientist to wonderful looking ladies. If you have a chance look at my past posts.
Now that leaves us to why am I writing this on this Clint Siegle line instead. First off sicne 5' 20 I ahve been bouncing around per night to new realities of myself. You say what drugs are you on_ Insulin and metaformin. What have you had to drink Sunday I drank a pitcher of reheated twice sanganine. But did not feel the affect that I was hoping for.
So in these travelers what have I discovered is a question. Five things which are wild and a seventh which I will briefly discribe. First off colors today I am in a red and light blue world. The womens asses are wonderful. So far I have not seen any ugly women which is a remarkable discovery. You might say your eye not eyes are different. I felt my wife up today and let alone is her bum firm and nice she is even cuter then yesterday.
Yesterday I was in grumpy world where the colors ran purple and green. You say what colors. To be specific the broom brushes that are used to clean up the place. You say they just got new brooms. I would agree with that but today not yesterday the brooms are old and blue not green and the red broom is down stairs not upstairs. What is the meaning of this and what is the world does this mean. Good question I have no answer for you. All I can say is I have watched the polls on Trump and Hillary for the past few days and there is a wide difference on who is winning and by what percentages. }
The skinny worlds with extrememly regal women seem to allow Hillary to win but here is the kicker Bernie Sanders won Kentucky. The fattier the world then Trump beats Hillary by a wide margin after looking into the gossip they also seem more relfective of wider NSA coverage. Meaning the Skinny people are afraid for their lives while the fat people seem to not care and will talk about GM bailout email where Chinese got ahold of it costing the bankrupcty court billions due to her not using asecure server etc. Who knows I am not sure if the storyw as true but 1818 secret emails classilied after the fact makes me wonder. And guess what I am fat ... The reaon is difference in what is considered important.}
Example I gave 5 22 was wallet as a gift versus something fun to play with. The difference is perfection also. RTrumps daughter is beautiful in all of them but in teh perfected beautiful woman world she is regal. Just sdying these trips are so far are wild. Meaning I am a satirous first off andmy humor is more an awkward silence until the person realizes two or three days later that I gave them an insight on what the world is like. Then I get usually a conversation where I am asked something is about something differnet and tehnweusaully are friends in a different way tehn most. Meaning I am not a friendly person. }
Meaning I did my work well. I loved my family and after that did not have a life nor if the library was good did I purchase or do much outside of those two activies. }
Now I am finding out secrets from acress universes which are interesting but I have no one to tell them too. Meaning if you are clinically insane few people want to talk with you and having had a mental breakdown in 2014 after losing my left foot I would not say I am or was all together there or here.-
Anyway back to my story today notices is my wall páper teh drtagon with a cloud under it has now become a dog dragon and the cloud has doubled in size. My wife along with every other Bolivia woman ass has gotten noticable to me.
Yesterday Monday cant say much other than personalities changed.}
Sunday personalities, hotel staircase which was able to fit five epopel across was now only possible to have four people and they changed the title. You say people update and change things all the time here in Bolivia and I could agree with you but this is my third time tot he hotel and know from falling that I should be able to put my brace three times to the handrail to get up. Here they let alone was less room there were hand rails on both sides of the staircase.
So what else have I noticed. If you watch youtube videos I was number 402 when I first looked this up and now there is 5000 plus people that have watched it.
Attached email letter to a friend a few days ago. and other dtories
CERN what have you done?
Where to begin?
Let me start with my wife has rearranged the furniture upstairs installed a door lock on a door and some how now can fit 12 people in a space last week we had problem fitting 8 people.
This might not sound big but to me it means I am not where I began. This is not my world.
Next I thought I was the person responsible for moving me to here and there. I discovered that I am not even on the back board of the chess pieces. I might be a far left pawn or even off the board at present. The person responsible I met yesterday. I am not sure how to say this but life is interesting.
Game of Thrones - I am not sure where to begin. First the plot has changed a bit. I read all the books starting 98 through. I think this parallel universe is called the practical universe. That is at least what I call it now. I could not put my finger on the change until I realized a few things.
It started with gifts my kids showed me receiving. A wallet? What in the world would a person give a person a wallet for? I asked. She replied that her cousin gave it to her because she was now older and did not need a wallet. I am sure this makes perfectly good sense to people here in practical land but to me this is like saying I have out grown my socks. Who does not need a wallet?
The Game of Thrones scene where they spend 10 to 15 minutes consulting who is on their side and who will stand with them or against and sending the emerald knight away to get their uncles army was like what the and where the am I.
In my world you do not plan such things in a movie. The plot moves along the lines of confront overcome or be overcome and gamble to see if you win or lose. Here I think without counting your men to see if you have enough you might even surrender the north versus fight to the death which is like a lot of poetry in my parallel universe.
Napoleon versus Nepoleon you spell it the first way I spell it the second. This has changed and I know it. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xnepoleon.TRS0&_nkw=nepoleon&_sacat=0
What else - I must say that the women here are much more beautiful and practical I believe is the word. It took me a while to put a description on this until I saw someone that I knew from high school on facebook. Either they can doctor the photos here really well or a person can lose 50 pounds without much problems within a week is all I can say. Instead of a cute puffy face she seemed regal.
Finally Math skills and so forth. I am impressed here everyone seems to know math and technical terminology along with the programming skills for spell check is much more advanced then in my world. I would call this the practical math beautiful woman world while I will call my home parallel world gambling story driven world.
Just a note - I must not be a good friend here only one out 10 answered my question. Either my question is not understood which is possible or I do not communicate well here. I am not sure which.
A final aside money seems to be a driving force here. The community of helping each other out has shifted. I would not say people are non giving but they seem a different nature instead of a spirit of giving it is more like the practical side of if I do not need it and someone else needs it give it to them which is nice. It is interesting also. If I did what I did in my universe I hopefully was a very giving person here. If not I am not sure.
CERN what the h e double hockey sticks am I watching on television
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_Z9ejD-yto
Wayward pines - I remember this story. What I am watching is not the story I remember. I remember not liking it that much for season one due to the murder of one FBi agent left in a house and a waitress whom everyone in the town just watched having her throat slit.
What the h e double LL am I watching now - this is my recollection - Since 2015, he stars on the Fox television series, Empire. The former was created by Lee Daniels and Danny Strong in which he plays a hip-hop mogul who discovers he is dying and must ensure the survival of his music empire. The cast includes Taraji P. Henson and Gabourey Sidibe. He was also part of the Fox series Wayward Pines, which ran for one season in 2015. The latter series was produced by M. Night Shyamalanand also included cast members Matt Dillon, Melissa Leo, and Juliette Lewis. NOTE ONE SEASON this - this program is not what I watched.
Friends my eyesight is bad. Being blinded with blood I realize I do not see the world correctly but Friends Chandler Bing actor either has been doctored up or in this universe the world has better looking people.
How to Train my Dragon. The hero's nose is completely different. I remember him with a more hawkish face. This face this this is not whom I remember in that movie.
Talking with my family current reality is wild. I must either be a big flirt here or a stud. Myself I was or am a conservative due to verbal abuse so this new found approach to being able to speak my mind and swear if I desired to is refreshing but not my world. Blue to Red not Red to Blue..
I am getting more excited to watch Game of Thrones. What if what I watched these past three weeks sucked on purpose because the director either did not provide enough back ground or those few seconds to capture the moment on purpose. The movies here suck in two different ways. It seems that people actually speak everything out. Example Wayward pines - the guy instead of rushing in and killing everyone opposing him. HE actually says hold up and put your weapons on the ground and only one shots and he kills that one while the rest surrounds what the h e double hockey sticks world is this. We do not plan We act. We do not take prisoners we survive. How have I survived the zombies and sharks? Being more than they are. ONE Season not Two Season for Wayward Pines.
Wild the story line different. The approach different. The plot of people living tres or two years being able to wake up in a bed without being drained. This world is wild. I wonder if I could survive here.
Wild. I do not know what I am watching but the clarity is I am not where I was. Also I just notice my wife's hair is pulled back not curly and out. I think I have a new wife. At least now the Simpson's are on. If I get back remember blue to red red to blue..
Now the Simpson the world global shows up and what the some how South America has moved about six hundred miles towards Africa. What the.. Marge is dancing as a pop singer?
Wild I knew the author that died recently. Having meet him on line he was trying to find someone to help his dogs before he died. Now I just watched a Purge of I think my spanish is not that bad economist. This is wild.
What am I watching. I just watched Simpson take a standardized test without a joke. The department of standardized test - who the heck are they? There so far has not been a single joke. Not a single joke or anyhing but Bart playing with a bug. What is this? Skinner is begging here in this world what happened to his attitude? What is this Homer is moving a parking meter for coins and not drinking beer nor working at the nuclear plant.
What is this Bart takes the exam. The government says it will destroy the school? What is this? Now Train my dragon - and the hero again is not the hero I remember.. Who in the world makes this up. Being pushed down the rabbit hole makes me wonder what else I am missing?
I checked my inside of my shoe again just to check. I buy Sketchers. But my shoe says Skecher - either I am in a knockoff world or someone has no sense of spelling.
New looking at Nepoleon which makes the word Despotism which was given to Nopoleon due to his placing all his family on the thrones of Europe is now spelled Napoleon. Another reason I remember Nepoleon was I played war of Waterloo for three years and now I can not find it.
Skinner wild - instead of lining people pulling fire alarm instead of lining everyone up and moving them out - in this world they pair up and have a fire mate to leave the building? I think this would cause some people to be burnt up instead of leaving a building. So maybe this is the unsafe world.
The purge of the Simpson is the program is now trying to tell kids to study and pass a standardized test? he is having a nightmare that the school would be destroyed because he failed the exam and destroy the town? What in the world - who is running the Simpsons? Where was the humor? Satire is dead I think. Maybe this is just a bad dream.
The police now have Simpson and they give a lecture instead of firing their gun. What in the world? I am sure now I am not in a good universe. Either humor is dead or Barts sister is evil in this universe where in my world she would try to help Bart succeed in the test versus give B which in my world the answer is C the most common answer to multiply choice tests..
Also there seems to be a hell of a lot more commercials. I must get out of here. Maybe I will try a spell tonight. My fear is what happens if this gets me someplace worst. So far in five days I have noticed in one of those days my dog was scared of me. I figure the dog rule applies through the universe parallel affects. Meaning in one of these universe I owe some people an apology or I need to find me and beat the shit out of him. Being blind and one legged this requires me some thing to think about. More commercials. this place is trying to sell something I am not sure. Still no humor with Bart Simpson what the hell is going on with comedy in this parallel world?
Marge is lecturing Homer and Homer just lied without no problem and She believed it. This is not the Marge I remember nor is this humorous.. What has happened?
Bart is trying hard on a test to save his school? and the globe shows up and the map is wrong again some how the whole north and south america is tilted what in the world. Marge is thanking the standardize department - where in the world is the humor or satire? Finally they have some humor by knocking down a wall. But then they put a wild and weird statement. IF you watched the Simpson for twenty years you realize something tenable has happened. No humor no satire no . no no no no.. Either my spanish is getting worst or this world is practical and no nonsense world.
MArge is watching an ichie and Scratchie play and it is not showing them murdering each other. Finally Itch shows up and cuts the cat to pieces but this makes no sense. The mouse and cat should never speak and yet they are speaking and Homer has now lost his few hairs on his head and their song uses the word erotic in a song.. That is not the Simpson. No sex policy no change. Who changed the script?
Skinner talks in an audience? This is nuts - Skinner speaks and speech he does not speak without an issue. Skinner is a transgemder dress wearing person? Total is equals?
Finally he faints that makes sense but then a joke is actual made and it is not funny but they laugh?
Bazaario world.. They make the kids dance with each others? More commercials and they are selling cake and banks - wild the commercial is not even for a bank in Bolivia.
CAT watc commmerical has changed. I do nto recall what it use to say bt built to last was not the theme. Style or something else.
CERN you are playing a poor boy from Montana very wrong. More commercials this does not make sense Bolivia does not have this much products or I wolud be fat if I could eat what I am seeing on the television and believe me I can eat.
Well I am a little bit more flipped out. Kung Fu Panda the Panda has lost weight and does not have the fluffy feeling I know. If I watch something I know it. Some where in this parallel universe is a fat panda bear which I like. This one was a bit more gross and less likable;
Searching for more changes - now this is the wildest - clicking on yahoo I am taken to Firefox install download. Firefox is not used in my universe unless with TOR to lose the hacker police. And to see an advertisement does not mean it clicks all the way to try to install the program on my computer. Denied. Unless you fixed your browser why would I use it?
Who is this Trump? 50 million he is saying in primaries - the last time I checked five days ago was 36 million dollars. Where did 14 million dollars go in 5 days? His voice does not sound the same. He sounds tired versus the guy I knew was more vocable.
He is talking access to him? He is talking Bernie Sander - trade agreement great finally something I remember him talking about still he sounds different.
CERN has me someplace but not where I was...
First off - everyone I have contacted has acted differently within the past 3 to 5 days. Depending on what I would expect and what I have seen.
Example I just got done taking tea with my wife's family.
1. My wife was mad at her sister and was or would not even talk to her in a normal voice but a voice of high pitch meanness you know the type.
Here she is speaking with her, and laughing with her currently over tea. She even shared a meal with her.
2. My mother in law whose personality is that of a wonderful lady and completely polite to a fault of taking harm to herself and telling me not to scream or do anything unkind or use wrong words.
Here she is the most colorful person with a description of abusing some people that I had to admit was different.
3. My sister in law just asked me to bake a brownie cake which I had just done. I remember specifically my wife telling me not to bake for her due to some health problem or other.
Here She seems to have lost a few pounds of fat and has a lovely face instead of being a little fat. Now there was not a word when I mentioned I would do that and make it a skittle castle which I am excited about because this will be my first baking of skittles.
4. What makes me sure that I am not from this world. My wife is painting a napkin holder. This is why I know I am not from this world. Why? She painted two days ago while I was watching her.
Here The napkin holder her was unpainted and she is painting it black right now. From brown wood to black.
5. My blood sugar is down. I think corn syrup must not be in any of the products here. In m universe I have about 22 pounds of the sugar in my system.
6. Everyone of the people I contacted on facebook is more colorful in their language.
Here being salty is being who you are versus where I came from hiding your true feelings was something you had to do to be considered Politically correct.
7. Both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump look totally different.
Here Trump looks like he was hit with a serious stick and lost his happiness and personality loved by universe. Bernie Sanders seems to have lost 20 pounds and this is the wildness his hair. Ether he has learned to comb it better he has more hair in this universe then in mine.
8. Mentally I am not all together here I am afraid. Some how I think the person that was here before me has been a bit more adventurous then me. My feelings about other feelings towards me leaves me feeling that I might have done something which in my universe would be considered a no no.
9. Politically this is even wilder.
Here Gary Johnson polls at 11 percent. In my universe he is was getting 10. A small different but one being a libertarian I would have noticed because I will not vote Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders Super delegates Hillary has 525 now in my universe she only had 501. Bernie has 39 in my world he has 43. But the switch up is the voter she was 216 away from reaching 2383. What surprises me most is Trump is showing he is losing to Hillary. In my world the last time I remember he was at 48 percent Hillary 41 and 10 percent went to Gary Johnson. Note the only reason I know about Gary Johnson in my world he was a Peace Corps volunteer from Minot North Dakota. I am sure hoping nothing has changed that.
10. Reality switch that is really getting me. I can not wait to see what the writers here have done to the Game of Thrones. This should be interesting and I wonder if the Wheel of Times series is different.
CERN has eaten my family
Where to begin I am watching Big Bang Theory and Sheldon, he is wearing a shirt that had never been on my television series before meaning I watched this program with him in it and green striped shirt is not what he was wearing in it. I do not recall what he wore but I knew that something was off. It is like watching a show and seeing something wrong or different.
Next my doppelganger older daughter is wearing a sweat shirt that can not be. Meaning I did not buy it and she says she has worn it all the time. This color is blue. She has been wearing a red sweat shirt.
My second doppelganger daughter teeth are fixed. Saving 2000 dollars for braces so I am saving money. Only now I hear there is a new cafe next to the soccer field which was a home yesterday and today is a stripe mall in La Paz.
Finally, my dog is not my dog and he knows it. I wonder if I get back to my realm of reality what to expect. My meatloaf was acceptable, and my brownie was acceptable. My Doppelganger mother in law is still different then the other one. This one is a bit meaner while my wife is nicer to me. I think maybe this parallel universe is not working well. I guess here that sugar is not used as much for I made a dry brownie and people asked for seconds. The meat tastes differently rougher tough more like a bison with a hint of non tenderness. I think everyone here is tougher and surprisingly so am I. I did something, and it worked. In my universe, it would not work.
Today's news difference is Donald Trump looks older and strained where in my universe Trump is more jolly and happier looking. His daughter her being married and with a kid, she looks wonderful in my universe, but here she is a bit sexier, which is scarier because beauty seems more of a concern nearby. I think the parallel realms are wild. Here my wife and family are laughing. In my realm, my wife is a bit mean and so is a few other people they all are laughing as I recall this is not the laughing type of people or at least at present.
The biggest change and unexpected delight is they fed me sugar. I know that sounds weird but in my realm as a diabetic I am more than limited the amount of sugar. Final discover my Sketcher is now called Skecher. I am now wearing knock off shoes or the other parallel universe is total weird and wild in the advertisement, Remember Blue then Red not Red blue.
In addition, the dog smells differently. What is my problem? I read. I remember. Churchill stories are being changed. How you spell names are being changed. Nepoleon is how I remember him. Nepotism is the word that meant putting your relative in high places of authority such as he did by placing his relatives on all the thrown of Europe.http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=nepoleon+&_sacat=0 THEY have changed how you spell Nepoleon to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon Napoleon. They have changed eBay to ebay.. what the reality is going on. SO does a few other people who sell his old stuff on eBay. Either we are all nuts or a demon has control of the idol.
Day two of the spell realization.. CERN is changing my family and I did not realize it..
I was awoken by little kid. My daughter whom I love very much. She had changed. She seemed more fearful of me and less smiley for some reason.
I noticed that the spell was still working when I went to play with my dog. Instead of greeting me and being normal he barked and had to sniff and look at me to see if I was whom I was. In this world the dog knows more than the people.
What confirmed my parallel existence was confirmed by three events of which I will try to explain my memory of how life was versus how it appears to be in this disillusion.
First a grader for potatoes. If you remember a steal grader which like myself have run your hand into you will remember the pain of such a cutting instrument. This is something you would remember. Today I was surprised to find a modern grader plastic and sharp enough to cut on the first slice instead of needing three pushes to get through the blade. In my surprise I asked when did we get this. My doppelganger wife said we have always had it. That was when I knew I was not either right in the head or in someplace else. The head part I can figure out being off medicines for pain, illusions and other meds for the past 8 months I thought maybe I was missing something.
The spell had worked - the room where I was visiting had changed in small ways enough if you looked you could see the change. Example a plant stand that yesterday stood next to my chair and held my book while I petted my dog not this doppelganger dog that presently is still trying to figure out whom I am. He is also way to clean to be my dog. I know my dog I smell him and he is not the smell I used to remember. Anyway the plant stand is no longer where it stood yesterday, which had held my book. One might say they moved it along with a chair, reupholstered a coach that had been a linen cloth throw over to being a linen cloth fitted coach. These are three of the small items I saw just in that room. The spell that whomever has used is changing people memories too.
My older doppelganger daughter whom I love answered two questions correct but the third question she got wrong. Now we have watched Forrest Gump at least seven times it was her favorite for a few months. The line - Forrest Gump: My momma always said, "Life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." I know she knew the correct or in my parallel universe world statement which goes Forrest Gump: My momma always said, "Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." Someone is trying to drain hope and life from this parallel world I am not sure whom or why but the Bookworms society is gone. I tried their extension and no one will answer. I fear the worst. This is whom I am today 5/22/2016. The word to remember tomorrow is Blue Red not Red Blue. let me see if that changes back or stays the same. In this universe, I am still alone. Scared not as much as I would expect to visit a parallel universe, but I noticed the change on 5/19/2016 with my mother in-law and I know she is not whom I used to know. Kindness is our only hope. Star Wars also has changed. Why would it be "No, I am your father" not "Luke. I am your father." It is like every pleasant quote are being rewritten by the supercomputer that the CIA turned on which was super cooled to allow time travel and CERN which allowed a particle from another dimension has shifted this world. Something's excellent and something's bad. I am still me. A triangle has more than 180 degrees.
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El 19 de mar., Peter dijo lo siguiente:
I think they try to keep it "close" for the sake of illusion and probably deniability.
15:18
El 19 de mar., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
Do you have any any ideas? 1- remind one of your bernie friends to vote in the primaries - http://www.berniefriendfinder.com/ each vote for bernie will cost hillary primary money.. 2. when the bernie friend primary is over remind them to vote for someone other than hillary - https://goo.gl/5QO2153. VOTE on hard copy only - the computers are rigged so far Trump support went to Rubio in four states- what is your bet that Microsoft will screw with the election? 4. Every time you see someone dies write your sheriff department and have them remove that person from voting. last election obama used 1.8 million dead people's votes to win. Don't let your dead grandma vote hillary. 5. Write your congress representative and ask why Bill Clinton is allowed to break federal election rules?http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/ 6. write an editor and ask about hillary - where did 6 billion go? what happened with her working on Watergate, did she get a great loan at white water, as head of state was it graft to sell influence to Russia mining interest?http://donnabarstow.com/newspaper-editors/do
El 19 de mar., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
sometimes you have to try.. just for the sake of trying
20:47
22 de mar.
El 22 de mar., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
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23 de mar.
El 23 de mar., Peter dijo lo siguiente:
Won't click on your link from a Govt. Computer but just read an MSM article that Bernie's campaign coffer is growing bigger than Hill's...gee. wonder where that money came from....
10:05
24 de mar.
El 24 de mar., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
do not click on government computer - the wiki leaks is a collection of hillary emails.. look up on google how much hillary spent on art versus security for the ambassador ...
0:39
27 de mar.
El 27 de mar., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
Thank you. https://cosmofunnel.com/user/26088/favorites
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29 de mar.
El 29 de mar., Peter dijo lo siguiente:
Happy 37th birthday Clint!..
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14 de abr.
El 14 de abr., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
So are you doing okay? What is up you moved from La to Alabama now? Who are you voting for? Myself I was going for Gary Johnson until recently. Now I am tired of losing so Trump.. With all the posts there seems to be a lack of understanding of how to win the election. So instead of just swearing to under vote Hillary movement meaning Trump is not winning the popular vote presently - find a Hillary voter and switch them to be a Bernie supporter... A democrat most likely won't vote Trump however if they are willing talk them into writing in Trump 1. It makes soros spend 37.50 per primary vote for Hillary - the more that vote Bernie the longer that fight will be. 2. Try to find a libertarian to replace a Ted supporter and switch them from libertarian to Trump - ie discuss no swearing no yelling - ask for their vote. 3. Find a Bernie supporter and ask them to vote libertarian... the more votes for trump the less for Hillary. Hillary is beating Trump by 2 million more votes presently. We have to fight hillary not Ted - we have to move Ted voters to libertarian or Trump - no fighting folks - THINK the process of Thinking is not illegal yet.. come on win instead of yelling into the wind. So one change a Hillary voter to Bernie -https://www.facebook.com/Hillary2016/?fref=ts Two Remind a Bernie supporter to vote - http://berniefriendfinder.com/ Three change a Ted supporter to Trump or Libertarian -https://www.facebook.com/TedCruzPresident2016/?fref=ts THE ONLY Way we win is to get more votes - Hillary has thus far gotten 9.3 million - Trump has only gotten 7.7 million - We have a 2 million voter deficit that WE Trump supporters have to make up around three million votes to beat Hillary because of how the electrorial college works. Instead of a hell yea let us work together and win this election. Go to a Ted Cruz supporter and ask - Are you serious, curious Ted Cruz can not even beat Sanders -http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/…/Bernie-Sande… His voting record shows him to be second worst Senator on voting- if he can not even show up for a yes or no vote why do you consider him? -https://www.govtrack.us/…/presidential-candidates-miss-vot…/ -- if everyone does this 25 times - and even two people change their minds - that is 70 dollars we have done in advertising. Ideology and campaign fight - 1-Remind Trump friends to vote primaries hard copy only - the computers are rigged - - I would like to remind people in to vote the primaries for Trump - 2. have you written your representative and ask can I get a tracking system for my vote? if I can have eBay track and count my socks why can I not see my vote for Trump going to Trump versus to someone else? http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/ 3. write an editor in support of Trump - http://donnabarstow.com/newspaper-editors/ 4. Is there anyone else doing something on the internet that I can help with? 5. To cost Hillary Clinton 37.50 per primary vote remind your Bernie friends to vote in the primary for Bernie - 6.can anyone show me an app that does this for Trump followers what this does for Bernie -http://berniefriendfinder.com/ 7- remind anti war groups - WARMONGERS VOTE DEMOCRAT Who started WWI? Not Muslims . Woodrow Wilson (1856-1924) Democrat 1913-1921 - campaigned against the war one month later declared war due to ammunition transport with civilians being blown up after warnings. - Who started WWII? Not Muslims Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1882-1945) Democrat 1933-1945 - campaigned against the war - but opening caused the war with japan per policy of democrats 1940https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1073283632711270&set=pcb.1073284609377839&type=3&theater - Who got us into Vietnam over flat out lies particularly the Gulf of Tonkin which never happened? Not Muslims Lyndon Johnson Lyndon Baines Johnson (1908-1973) Democrat 1963-1969 the incident never happened - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident Who got us into or has continued to bomb Libya bombed murdered leader Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Egypt imprisoned leader/murdered citizens Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Syria bombed and attempt murder leader Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Somalia bombed citizens Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Pakistan bombed citizens Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Afghanistan bombed citizens Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Philippines bombed citizens Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Yemen bombed citizens Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Iraqi bombed citizens Obama Democrat (2009-2016) Hilary will continue these policies no to Hillary..
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20 de abr.
El 20 de abr., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
Hello Pete!! Anyone who is looking for job change immediately So we are Hiring for Chandigarh International Airport Chandigarh. Please share your contact details or hit LIKE so that my team can review your profile asap. We are hiring at all levels for of these cities Spice jet,Jet Airways, INDO THAI. Go Air Airlines, So share your contact details. Thank show less
El 20 de abr., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
so I saw this sent tried to forward it to you but no go. So I copied and pasted the above.. good luck..
16:22
29 de abr.
El 29 de abr., Peter ijo lo siguiente:
Thanks for the job tip, I'm going to look into Spice airlines. I do like Asia but my family situation might be too limiting to go there. I'm done with the military though...I'm sick of the bs. I'm mostly sick of being around low life idiots whose mindset I try to keep from dwelling on after sitting at my desk for 8 hours a day listening to all the crap all day long. I will vote for Trump...I'm done with the Globalist corrupt system that we've become and to prevent the inevitable collapse into statist solutions we need just stop spending the money. Reagan really was a GREAT president. I miss him.
20:49
5 de may.
El 5 de may., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/here-they-are-hillarys-22-biggest-scandals-ever/ I wonder WHY I do not see anything on the campaign about these issues? What is wrong with the Democratic party allowing a person who has not been responsible to run for high office? So being blind in one eye I am now postering this around facebook and linkedin.. Figure might change one person vote = myself I changed from libertarian to democrat to vote Sanders to have two chances against Hillary -https://cosmofunnel.com/dreams/i-have-nightmare-82536 I will be voting against her specifically..
El 5 de may., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
Work wise you are in Washington - I know you want outside of the military however if you want a fair wage Lockheed is great -https://search.lockheedmartinjobs.com/ListJobs/ByKeyword/pilot/ I would recommend staying away from L-3, Raytheon, and Northrup. Worked for those and they are fair but not as good as Lockheed.
El 5 de may., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
did you move to alabama noww?
16:01
11 de may.
El 11 de may., Peter dijo lo siguiente:
No, my profiles and cell phones are from my last duty station in WA state. I have been stationed in New Orleans, LA for 2 years now. My military friends feel sorry for me...but I'm not sure that will buy me anything. The Democrats are crazy...their weaker little brother the Reps aren't much better just being feckless and useless when in power...Clinton is a mess. The media machine is starting to fall apart. What's news in S. America. I read Venezuela is literally falling apart and the society is collapsing...that's not good.
17:38
12 de may.
El 12 de may., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
Venezuela for the military and police is okay. I have a future general here stationed there. I joke with him and gave him a roll of toilet paper do to the hear say. For the government there is no problems for those outside the government he states as long as you have money there is stuff if you do not have money and rely on the govenment there is shortage.
El 12 de may., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
Bolivia the post office has been on strike since December. My credit card, christmas and birthday gifts from my mom are still in transit meaning I most likely will never see them.
El 12 de may., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
I am anti hillary as long as she does not win both alternatives are unique enough that I figure something good will happen.
El 12 de may., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
Thus I write on facebook and post anti hillary on linkedin -https://cosmofunnel.com/poems/why-the-us-can-not-afford-the-clintons-90731
El 12 de may., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
as for work wise outside the military do yourself the favor do a time with lockheed. the benefits are several and with the right people management you can make a living and enjoy life with people that are like minded..peace
13:39
21 de may.
El 21 de may., Peter dijo lo siguiente:
Bolivia is occupying Venezuela...that's interesting. Frankly Venezuela is really sad on many levels. All of these things are conspiring to bring about a one world currency...completely electronic in nature and totally controlled by the elite. They will be able to create $ out of thin air, purchase real labor and goods with this synthetic currencey...and the people of the idiot dumbed down west will buy it b.c of convince and efficiency....
10:57
El 21 de may., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
No Bolivia police and military have to go outside of the country for training. Thus Johnnie is in Venezuela since July 15 through August 16. Bolivia does not occupy anything. It loses land mass. Chile, Brazil, Uragway, etc.. Nice guy funny and a wonderful personality. Currency wise I expect you are right but not completely. Communist China gold yuan will not be able to be converted to or for dollars. Thus the dollar will fall dramatically.
21:17
22 de may.
El 22 de may., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
Pete,
El 22 de may., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
I think I have lost - it.. See how many you remember and do not remember.
El 22 de may., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
CERNs has us and we are in for a long ride... the end of which is already foretold "Are you sure you want to jump in?" "The hole is quite deep and once in you might not be able to get out." Being a stubborn new Bookworm whose ideology was always up for a new adventure I said "I was ready." Like that I was pushed into the possibility of a different better world which was and now wasn't and would not be remembered by that generation after me because so few people read. The first story I was given was Forrest Gump. I had watched the movie several times the movie inspiring me to think and do more than I should and always be kind and nice. I was quite taken back when the reality Ihttps://cosmofunnel.com/stories/cerns-has-us-and-we-are-in-for-a-long-ride-the-end-of-which-is-already-foretold-91251
12:13
El 22 de may., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
Pete How do you spell Nepoleon? http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=nepoleon+&_sacat=0 THEY have changed how you spell Nepoleon to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NapoleonNapoleon. They have changed eBay to ebay.. what the reality is going on.
15:36
El 22 de may., Peter lo siguiente:
Not sure I follow you but the street near me is spelled Napoleon...the way it's always been.
20:41
23 de may.
El 23 de may., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
I think I am not from here Pete. What and when did we meet in Colorado Springs or manituo springs colorado? As for Nepoleon did you look on eBay either I am in a very weird dream which is possible or the universe is different in ways I am not sure how to explain. Best examples I can share a few are this is a more practical world then the one I knew 5 days ago. When you were in your Christian college studying history we did not speak until when do you remember? In Denver do you remember me?
7:40
26 de may.
El 26 de may., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
which way do you remember the video? in the movie made famous the world over by Disney.... it now says magic mirror on the wall.....https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=Z_-pDpLVVNc
12:44
28 de may.
El 28 de may., Peter o siguiente:
The youtube link did not lead to any video. We met in Colorado at Summit ministries in the summer of 1991. We also went backpacking in the "Sangre de Christo" mountains, enjoyed the hailstorm as we camped out at 11,000'...fun stuff. I have the regrets of being too harsh on the leaders during the critiques! Clint you seem like you are going through a tough time, I will continue to pray for you, hoping the Lord is blessing you and your family down there. The Christian college I went to is an interesting place...it's a small world with a great motto..."in all things Christ pre-Eminant"...Truth has been fleshed out a little more for me since then but I cling to the Gospel even more as I hope you do too. The problem with Justice is that you need to seek deep truths which lead you to the reality that this is a very dark world with wicked (twisted) people at the helm sometimes. My prayer for you is that you find a Jesus centered friend down there...Bolivian or whoever...putting Jesus the Christ at the center of your life is everything. Why Jesus? Because He says "Behold, I make all things anew"....the most amazing escatological statement ever stated!!!! You must be in Christ and Him in you...this means doing what you need to do to stay in that state. The world will crumble around us, but cling to the promises of God that he will guide you.
El 28 de may., Peterijo lo siguiente:
Clint, you don't need to understand everything...we were never engineered to grasp all things..."the knowledge of good and evil" isn't for us to know now...but soon those who are in Christ will judge not just this world but the angelic higherarchy as well.
9:43
3 de jun.
El 3 de jun., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
Pete, Tough time is not the word I would use. This experience is unqiue either I am on some drugs which is not possible insulin and metaformin is all I am taking righ tnow due to my eyes or I am seeing the world thorugh different eyes. 5/20 something happened - people personaliseies changed, the colors of certain items that I care bout and use changed, the biggest part is maps. I have seen South Afric as a never before I have seen Japan island of the coast of Korea which makes a lot of missiles fired during mytime at missiles defense department in question meaning where the islando f Japan is now they missiles owulc have fallenon it. Personalities of my kids changed from laughter to sadness to anry at present. I am sure you are right and I am not jumpig paralel universes but to go through the list of changes that I have seen. There is a mountain called illimanti here. Normally I would go and sit on the chair and turn my head and watch the clouds never move from the mountain. It would be at my four 35 point meaning I would have to turn my neck to see it. I have now seen that mouontain in seven different locations four of which I havenoted in my journal. The biggest note is there is no cloud cover which is strange because during winter here the cloud covers teh mountain the whole winter months where as this mountain I can see the peak and no cloud cover. Other changes are sort of werird like maps changing of countries I know whrer one zxiz because they were that size in Risk the game. Meaning you do not change south Africa the way I have seen it. Next the island of New Zealand is now two islands which makes no sense due to Winston Churchill entries examine where he drew the whole island to get into Englands military school some things I remember and now they have changed. exampel nepoleon. Only way I remember that was Depotism -Nepoleon - put his relatives on the thrones of Europe - ie spelling was hard for me in school so that was one word I learned due to eaching the Battle of Waterloo where the name Nepoleon was spelled on the game. Other things are not so different but they are weird. One of my jumps I ended up in a parallel place where I had hair all of over me. Now you say what is the big deal. I do not like hair I am clean dirty meaning I did take showers when I was in the states twice a day. Now I am taking them less bu that place would have driven me crazy with the amount of hair I found. You say aam imagining this but I mentionined this to my wife who is like you thinking I am rrzy or on drugs. Neither- if I was on them I would keep my mouth shut. The personalities changes are weird and wild. One of the jumps the people were practical. Meaning if you did not need it you gave it way. My kid at that time got a wallet as a gift from a person I know would never in their right mind give my kid a wallet. Meaning my kid is nice sweet at times but not practical. Other things is polls national on CNN the major changes Hilary clinton only is winning when Trump is Skinny and serious - meaning I have watched news a few times after going nuts watching the Simpson on a very secual explicit universe where you and I would cll the cops or FFC about what we saw or at least what I saw in my parallel universe. I do not know Pete. I maybe craxy I am not hurting anypne. I stopped writing m tales becaue of something else - you can read my first few days observation on cosmofunnel Clinton Siegle - my nerves are a bt wired but three things are fair to say. You arewho you are .. Moneyte amount in paallel universe does not change nor much of what you were except how per e[ton is made in that universe. again I know thi is wild and weird and not nice. My self I am going through all tests my urine is okay along with my blood work. My wife wants me to see a psycologist three days ago since I have stopped talking she has either forgotten or in this place my story is chalked up as causing tears on 5/23. Meaning when I asked what happened to the mountain you should have seen the frame of mind the people were in. Myself I am keeping a journal and know either I will have a great fictional book to sell or I will figure something out. Exampe Bayer buying Manatoso misspelled that in my timeframe Wednesday 5/19 or 5/18 they announced buying it for 43 billion and now the price is 63 billion in this timeframe. I am not sure but so far each of my trades has not worked out to what I expected. Meaning my cash is the same just the amount of the stocks bought and and what price changes meaning - one place I had 7348 stocks and last time I checked 7938 stocks - VALE the amount of how much I would have cash is the same but the stock price and amount of stock were totally different. Anyway you keep praying for me. I will keep praying for you. I have been suck here for three days but I think I am slowing down. Meaning the changes I noticed were small if I would not have counted stripes on wall I would not have noticed much difference between yesterday and today - but I count just to make sure I am waking up in the same bed. Two days ago my count was 5 now it is 3. you might think people come in and change the room. I do not think so. I think I am jumping into someone elses reality. Just like the television programs some of what I saw was not normal. Example in a beautify women place the people spent 14 minutes discussing a political conflict. In my reality they would have sent their messagers and galloped off to fight the evil one or at least the discussion would have been a side note not 15 minutes.. https://cosmofunnel.com/stories/cern-is-changing-me-even-as-i-speak-i-am-forgetting-91260
El 3 de jun., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
https://cosmofunnel.com/stories/cern-has-eaten-my-family-91263
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4 de jun.
El 4 de jun., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG6x-sb35y8
El 4 de jun., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCCjo0oPsz8
El 4 de jun., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
Question to you. 1 In Bolivia illimani mountain has moved 7 times since 5-20. I use to see it on the patio at my 425 position. Now it is at 212 position. 2. Nepoleon or Napoleon 3. South America has shifted roughly 700 miles south east 4. I have seen South Africa the country on my globe change three times any ideas on this would be appreciated. 5. Consciencinous path is scary if you realize people personalities are changing also.
9:36
El 4 de jun., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=johny+quest&_sacat=0
El 4 de jun., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjqZEAIkgE
El 4 de jun., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXaHK2YRMhk
El 4 de jun., Clinton Siegle dijo lo siguiente:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXaHK2YRMhk
to me
CERN these trips you are sending me on. My realization of one item is not so good for me at all. Maybe I should not return to my timeline. Maybe I shall never understand hatred nor love ever again. This trip at least has told me my heart is no longer loved. Today I realize whom my wife is in love with. Her cousin. I also realize whom she has been seeing since 2006. Realization is not not nice nor comforting. Shame is great in my life and my heart is broken.
I can no longer see mount illimani. The mountain is gone. Swizerland and France owe me big time. I am not sure if I can ever pay them back for this trip and noted hatred I feel at this moment. Realization of how much I am a fool is a bigger problem. That what ever deity there is laughing at me is no fun neither. I feel alone again like I shall die but if I am alone so be it. Realazation is hatred.
06/15/2012 9:37PM
Rossio, your sister- who is the person she is seeing there? After more than 24 hours of travel between increases, decreases in aircraft, endless waits at airports and all delayed flights, reach media night and the only thing he wanted was to take my pill and not wake up, because even a second stop thinking about you, you don't know how much I love you and what hurt me this "separation", but over your decision. I love you, I love you, and even in my dreams "empastillados" do not you alejaste me, in the middle of my dream expected to hear the tone of the cell becoming my beautiful morning message. Awakening was scary, knowing that I'll not be seeing. All good this back is what again had my hands to my baby to my friend when I'm bajoneada as now I climb to the and handling without direction, is the only that I "listen and understand me" and only ask God to guide my legs and hands (because I'm still an inexperienced driver) have so much adrenaline insideis such frustration that the only thing I want to run and scream that I love you. He cannot be at home because I felt that I drowned, I have a lump in the throat and one more in the heart, I want to scream that I love you, I miss you and you are the love of my life.
I shall never love again in this life. You vile and evil person called my wife.
5-20 I a woke to go to the hospital with my mother in law. She actually screams at me. This is new. I have not been screamed at by her for anything. She is different. The hospital waiting room has changed. Instead of a dark sitting room with no one else to sit with there is 20 or more women there. I am not sure but something has changed. We leave she argues with the taxi driver for three times about the cost of how much it is to the american embassy. Getting there I notice that the american embassy has changed. The height is taller. The color of my mother in laws brooms are red today.
5 23 facebook kicks me off my computer. My computer is broken by my kid. Mount ilimani instead of being visible from down stairs at a 4 23 position is placed where I can only see it upstairs at 1 15 position meaning it is huge and not where I normally see it. The color of my mother in laws brooms are awkward blue today.
5 30 I am missing a whole mountain. Mount Illimani is no where to be found upstairs down stairs. I ask and am told to forget about it. Not sure what to think. The color of my mother in laws brooms are red today not blue.
5 31 Either I am in a new plane of existence of Bolivia has become extremely wealthy all of a sudden. All the cars buses are new. Counting on a trip housing etc there is like an additional 2 thirds here. Meaning prior to 5 20 I could only fit 11 people in one of these vans. Now I have any where from 15 to 17 people here. Call me crazy but this is wild.The color of my mother in laws brooms are red today.
6 1 Wrote CERN asking for tranportation money back to my timeline. No one has replied and I think they hope I go away. I think France and Swizterland owe me big time for this parallel universe trip. The color of my mother in laws brooms are purple today.
6- 2 Mlunt lii is at 3 15 position on the second floor third window. Watching a whole mounting move in reality is not scary. Just unnerving a bit. I have my family which is okay. The color of my mother in laws brooms are green today.
6 3 my wife is fat today. She is cute when fat. I enjoy her company. The mountain moved again ' now at a 5 23 position The color of my mother in laws brooms are green today.
6 4 Beautiful women day. or maybe regal day there is something noticably different. All the women are lovely here. The color of my mother in laws brooms are purple today. 3 15 position upstairs window is where I can see illimani.
6 7 Best looking ass day. Either all ugly women have hidden or I am living with some women who can change appearance. Mount illimani is at 5 15 position I can varyly see it. The color of my mother in laws brooms not sure where they are the one for the dogs is red which is one I did not look at yesterday so I am not sure if it changed or not.
6 8 Mount illimani is at 3 19 meaning the top I can see at the 3 o clock position and the end is about 4 minutes away ttop floor 7th window. My wife is different. Then the rest of the days. She said a few things which are extreme in nature. The color of my mother in law broom not sure hidden or not showing where i can see them.
6 9 The whole mountain is gone. There is no mount illimani in my line of sight. The color of my mother in laws brooms are old and blue today.
6 11 found out something very personal today. Not sure what to do. The color of my mother in laws brooms are old and blue today. I can handle color changes mountain changes personalities. But to realize you are living a lie with someone who hates you that is something I am not sure what to do. Today I walked several blocks and thought. I am thinking V for vendette but to whom and for what CERN for shifting my reality to here?? My wife for lying to me for 13 years? People of Michigan for stealing from me 107k of rent monies owed me? God or this diety which owns these parallel universes? Fear? I fear tonight for I am alone. I realized I was always alone just how alone I thought I had a wife who I could count on but now. Now I am alone and with so much hatred I can not think. Mount Illimani is no where to be seen upstairs nor in a eight block walk due to disablities took me 2 hours. Tunk this reality is about what I am thinking but how.. I have no money. I have no friends. I am alone. My ideology at present consist of some long discoherent ramblings, autograph photos of which I am thankful of and ideas which make this world not worth much. Should I strike at it? What is that point? Where is the point I should strike? Failure I have failed yet again. I failed so many times you would think I could pick myself up and dust myself up and say this too will pass and move on. But to what point. I was hoping to raise a family. With wife I am now not sure what to do there. I love her so no pain for her but my heart is broken. My kids they need to be safe so what next. This jumping around the universe I realize everyone is who they are. There is no if only I did this I would be a millionaire. For some grand purpose I can see that everything which has happened has happened before and for a reason? Some call this the Mendela affect. I call this the realization that luck, time, distance, rich or poor, hairy realities, ugly beautiful women realities all of them do not matter. I can not take a right turn but some where some other poor sucker is doing the same thing. Mistake ville maybe that is what I am suppose to realize I am just a mistake? That makes no sense. I already realized that a long time ago. V is for Vendette whom exactly should I be trying to get even for my own mistakes? That is my question for fear. I have meet that fear and it is I. I hate I. There is no escaping whom I am. But escaping this past now the question is how? Do I just make random choices with a dice like on the Big Band theory? Do close my eyes and run away? Do I start getting even with people that were evil to me?
Today I am not sure if I bounced or not.
I found Mount Illimani. It is over two hills away - meaning the original timeframe I could see it without any hills.
I have decided Vengence and have cursed Florida, Utah, north Dakota, New York, and Michigan. I did this last night. I will continue to do this until I am revenged. Let us see.
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Clinton Siegle
June 12 2016, 03:57pm -0700
banana
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Clinton Siegle
June 12 2016, 04:22pm -0700
I broke my mother inlaws heart today with my standing joke I tell in the taxi.. usually I am ignored and I can tell it without much problems.. that I hurt someone is wildly not me.. I think I must be becoming evil.. bahabhabhb banana
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Clinton Siegle
June 13 2016, 06:34am -0700
I cried.
I did not watch Game of Thrones.
But one of me did.
He also played my pirates tides of fortune.
I wonder what he is like.
If I was him I would run away from this place too.
Evil.
Broom has changed colors upstairs from old blue to green.
Saw illimani yesterday cannot see it today.
Will have to walk.
My curse is still going on.. shame is great.. I figure I have been screwed all my life.. So I am broadening my view of vengence.
If everything you have done you did and everyting could has been done. The only way to do something different is to change. But if everything has been done has been done the only way to change is to bring change. However if you are limited by the game to resources and friend influence what is the point meaning I have tried for more money that did not work. I have tried to do different work that did not work. I am at this point where I am in need of some creativitiy and my solutions are running slime. I am thinking like maybe asking France and Switzerland due to their owning CERN for a grant to study myself or maybe starting an awkward business or parallel universe message delivery system. If I am truly seeing the universe through slivers of time space. What is it I am suppose to do. At the beginnning if I knew what I know now I could have made a 3 day fortune buying Monasto when Bayer introduced their bid. So far however other than visiting yesterday where the world said 20 peole were shoot and today it is 49 plus 1 I am not sure what the heck to think.
Any one want to send a message to a parallel universe send me a note.. Maybe I can save your other self from discovering things about people you would like to have known sooner rather than later..
For myself I am going for a walk to find my mountain. 8 blocks yesterday let me see if I can see it today.
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Clinton Siegle
June 13 2016, 11:39am -0700
Montauk project this is a new one to me. Anyone know if any of the scientists are still alive from this project?
Today walked a lot no sign of the mountain.
Got on the telferico and wola I can see a three finger mountain. Yesterday it was as big as my fist so either it has lost size or it is getting farter away which woud seem to be indicated due to the height of the teleferico being 150 feet up and due south of me.
Doctors appoints and vision. today I was actually confident in my eye doctor. LAst visit was two weeks ago. Here evidently I am going every week. Here the guy actually explained the procedure well where as in my timeframe I thought the guy was nuts. Here he explained that my eyes are bleeding and need to be stopped bleeding with a shoot. While in my world the explaination was that the bessels would be painted on to a wall. The difference epxlaination makes sense to me. Who wants to be blind with blood versus who wants to stop the bleeding. Major discribtino change and detail change.
Here eidently I was better off sight wise then last week where as I was blind as a bat last week.
Other new items - colors the brooms are green upstais blue first floor and walk way is red. Red broom is new, and the other two are old. This world is more technological then yesdterday. The more the difference. The dogs are brown here.
That is one majo thing I can say is different. Dog colors. n Bolivia they have kept their dogs and had a vaccination for rabies yesterady where the dogs were black and large. Today they were brown and large. Fou days ago the dogs in teh street were all white.
Taste and food. I must say the taste of cheese is different and the way it handles in the digestive tract is different. I am having dirreahea today from what ever I ate yesterday. Today I had a sandwich from Alexdria. The price is 42 S whc is same as my time. The exception is I got a brownie instead of a danish which is something I normally order. Theyw ere out of Danishes. Why am I writeing this here. Someon found my hardcopy jounal and instead of explaining I told them I am writing a story. Which I am not this one but anotehr one which seems a distraction but life is that way at iimes. What else went to the church yesterday. If I heard correctly the worfl will lay down with the lab. In my complexisty of world it is the lion will lie down with the lamb. So there is a difference in religios undertones and influence.
once my eyesight is better I will transcribe my handwritten journal. I took th epages out of the book and left the book for people to ponder on. The drawings would make no sense in either world so I do not care if people think or what they think of my block pointing out where I have seen mount ilimnaiti from either the first floor second floor or across the valley in a taxis or on the telfericairo.
What else. This world has more information and detail on peopel visiting other people. They actually provide names and places of events while in all the other wher eI had access to the internet it ws alwasy a vague this wperson was in Spain or a person arrived in Japan. Here they gave names dates and places. I amnot sure what to thinkk all Ic an say is I am glad I took typing classes because I can not see what I am writing at present let alone look up other people information. I did send an invite to a lady in spain that had this happen to her in 2008. My repsonse from CERn still no one has even answered anything. I am wondering fi I have to rewrite the rewuat or search for grants for CERN. On aside note. Yesderday to today. The orlando event. Yesterday I am sure onl 20 people died today I hear 49 this moringin git was 50 I am not truly sure what it means either things are speeding up or more people are dying.
Ring tones on phones are different to.
Distance I am 5500 kilometers from where I should be at last time I checked. Santigo Cile should alien with San Franisco time line and be a 9 and half hour flight.
Peace. Tomorrow once the drops in my eyes are gone so I can see I will transcibe my journal pages that I have hidden.
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Clinton Siegle
June 13 2016, 12:18pm -0700
Clinton Siegle
2:50 PM (26 minutes ago) skybooks@yahoo.com orgoneproducts1@gmail.com
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Dear Mr. Moon, Mr Preston B. Nichols,
I am writing to you because I can find you on the internet.
Since 5.20 I have been traveling to different people's realities is the best to explain.
Locations, braning of products, colors, sounds, taste and personalities all have changed several times along with my feelings towards this adventure.
I am wondering my eyesight is getting better ere but worst for the guy tat was me today. What and how do I get back to my timeframe?
Also can I sue CERN for these affects to my life meaning I have discovered a few things that I make me going home a question that I am unsure how to reflect on.
https://cosmofunnel.com/stories/a-dairy-of-sorts-92183 Remember I am blind in one eye and typing this with size 350 font so if some words are wrong I apolgieis.
Thank you and hopefully you will respond
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Clinton Siegle
June 13 2016, 12:22pm -0700
http://www.digitalmontauk.com/?page_id=44
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Clinton Siegle
June 13 2016, 12:24pm -0700
Why am I adding a letter here?
Simple I can not find my letter to CERN.
I am beginning to think I am the only one realizing that i am on vacation and not enjoying this experience at all.
I am starting to wonder about other things.
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Clinton Siegle
June 13 2016, 02:20pm -0700
walked to my spot
sitting location now has bricks only to one half of the way.
dog population now has long haired wolf like dogs..
yesterday they were black and short haired.
woman in cookie shop is now a chilita she was a modern lady yesterday,
guy in books shop is now a woman. can not verify if guy lived there or not my spanish is bad she directed me to the barbar shop.
telefairco has a new stop. not suppose to be there but hey what do I know.
Clinton Siegle
June 13 2016, 05:13pm -0700
http://listverse.com/2014/05/05/10-creepy-tales-of-interdimensional-travel/
CERN what have you done?
Where to begin?
Let me start with my wife has rearranged the furniture upstairs installed a door lock on a door and some how now can fit 12 people in a space last week we had problem fitting 8 people.
This might not sound big but to me it means I am not where I began. This is not my world.
Next I thought I was the person responsible for moving me to here and there. I discovered that I am not even on the back board of the chess pieces. I might be a far left pawn or even off the board at present. The person responsible I met yesterday. I am not sure how to say this but life is interesting.
Game of Thrones - I am not sure where to begin. First the plot has changed a bit. I read all the books starting 98 through. I think this parallel universe is called the practical universe. That is at least what I call it now. I could not put my finger on the change until I realized a few things.
It started with gifts my kids showed me receiving. A wallet? What in the world would a person give a person a wallet for? I asked. She replied that her cousin gave it to her because she was now older and did not need a wallet. I am sure this makes perfectly good sense to people here in practical land but to me this is like saying I have out grown my socks. Who does not need a wallet?
The Game of Thrones scene where they spend 10 to 15 minutes consulting who is on their side and who will stand with them or against and sending the emerald knight away to get their uncles army was like what the and where the am I.
In my world you do not plan such things in a movie. The plot moves along the lines of confront overcome or be overcome and gamble to see if you win or lose. Here I think without counting your men to see if you have enough you might even surrender the north versus fight to the death which is like a lot of poetry in my parallel universe.
Napoleon versus Nepoleon you spell it the first way I spell it the second. This has changed and I know it. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xnepoleon.TRS0&_nkw=nepoleon&_sacat=0
What else - I must say that the women here are much more beautiful and practical I believe is the word. It took me a while to put a description on this until I saw someone that I knew from high school on facebook. Either they can doctor the photos here really well or a person can lose 50 pounds without much problems within a week is all I can say. Instead of a cute puffy face she seemed regal.
Finally Math skills and so forth. I am impressed here everyone seems to know math and technical terminology along with the programming skills for spell check is much more advanced then in my world. I would call this the practical math beautiful woman world while I will call my home parallel world gambling story driven world.
Just a note - I must not be a good friend here only one out 10 answered my question. Either my question is not understood which is possible or I do not communicate well here. I am not sure which.
A final aside money seems to be a driving force here. The community of helping each other out has shifted. I would not say people are non giving but they seem a different nature instead of a spirit of giving it is more like the practical side of if I do not need it and someone else needs it give it to them which is nice. It is interesting also. If I did what I did in my universe I hopefully was a very giving person here. If not I am not sure.
Where to begin I am watching Big Bang Theory and Sheldon, he is wearing a shirt that had never been on my television series before meaning I watched this program with him in it and green striped shirt is not what he was wearing in it. I do not recall what he wore but I knew that something was off. It is like watching a show and seeing something wrong or different.
Next my doppelganger older daughter is wearing a sweat shirt that can not be. Meaning I did not buy it and she says she has worn it all the time. This color is blue. She has been wearing a red sweat shirt.
My second doppelganger daughter teeth are fixed. Saving 2000 dollars for braces so I am saving money. Only now I hear there is a new cafe next to the soccer field which was a home yesterday and today is a stripe mall in La Paz.
Finally, my dog is not my dog and he knows it. I wonder if I get back to my realm of reality what to expect. My meatloaf was acceptable, and my brownie was acceptable. My Doppelganger mother in law is still different then the other one. This one is a bit meaner while my wife is nicer to me. I think maybe this parallel universe is not working well. I guess here that sugar is not used as much for I made a dry brownie and people asked for seconds. The meat tastes differently rougher tough more like a bison with a hint of non tenderness. I think everyone here is tougher and surprisingly so am I. I did something, and it worked. In my universe, it would not work.
Today's news difference is Donald Trump looks older and strained where in my universe Trump is more jolly and happier looking. His daughter her being married and with a kid, she looks wonderful in my universe, but here she is a bit sexier, which is scarier because beauty seems more of a concern nearby. I think the parallel realms are wild. Here my wife and family are laughing. In my realm, my wife is a bit mean and so is a few other people they all are laughing as I recall this is not the laughing type of people or at least at present.
The biggest change and unexpected delight is they fed me sugar. I know that sounds weird but in my realm as a diabetic I am more than limited the amount of sugar. Final discover my Sketcher is now called Skecher. I am now wearing knock off shoes or the other parallel universe is total weird and wild in the advertisement, Remember Blue then Red not Red blue.
In addition, the dog smells differently. What is my problem? I read. I remember. Churchill stories are being changed. How you spell names are being changed. Nepoleon is how I remember him. Nepotism is the word that meant putting your relative in high places of authority such as he did by placing his relatives on all the thrown of Europe.http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=nepoleon+&_sacat=0 THEY have changed how you spell Nepoleon to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon Napoleon. They have changed eBay to ebay.. what the reality is going on. SO does a few other people who sell his old stuff on eBay. Either we are all nuts or a demon has control of the idol.
For court of Ender the pirate last few years were gloom- he was old and had become both unglamorous with a bad taste for music. The court was bored and desperate for novelty. So in 1710 when the pirate battles started a fresh new pirate of fifteen-year-old lad named the Claw who was both devilishly handsome and charming had a particularly strong effect on the ladies within the Troll kings court. He was witty and cared for politics as few men cared. He saw that the cycle of life was to happen to a great country but he also saw no one cared. So within he started his plan to tell a tale that would live on even after his soul was burning on fire for his lovers. His plan was witty indulgent, some of the wenches laughed when his hands wondered towards places a fifteen year old should not have his hands.. CERN or a different Clinton Siegle wrote this- I sure of heck would have continued it but the wildness is growing more and more. For those that recall I am a one legged pirate stuck in Bolivia due to finances and life in general. My doppelganger wife just showed up and gave me a new pair of socks. For those that do not understand. In my parallel universe I have not had new socks since 2014 they are all diabetic socks which help my feet. Either I am in some type of reality show or someone is pulling my leg - the socks she gave me are the same color not material. I asked when did I get new socks - her reply these were always yours. For those that do not know me. I talk to and with my socks. These socks are not something I recall nor have I talked to them. I think they might have an interesting story to tell. They are tight and not elastic like my diabetic socks. The spell is working again I arm recalling and forgetting the past.
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Wayward pines - I remember this story. What I am watching is not the story I remember. I remember not liking it that much for season one due to the murder of one FBi agent left in a house and a waitress whom everyone in the town just watched having her throat slit.
What the h e double LL am I watching now - this is my recollection - Since 2015, he stars on the Fox television series, Empire. The former was created by Lee Daniels and Danny Strong in which he plays a hip-hop mogul who discovers he is dying and must ensure the survival of his music empire. The cast includes Taraji P. Henson and Gabourey Sidibe. He was also part of the Fox series Wayward Pines, which ran for one season in 2015. The latter series was produced by M. Night Shyamalanand also included cast members Matt Dillon, Melissa Leo, and Juliette Lewis. NOTE ONE SEASON this - this program is not what I watched.
Friends my eyesight is bad. Being blinded with blood I realize I do not see the world correctly but Friends Chandler Bing actor either has been doctored up or in this universe the world has better looking people.
How to Train my Dragon. The hero's nose is completely different. I remember him with a more hawkish face. This face this this is not whom I remember in that movie.
Talking with my family current reality is wild. I must either be a big flirt here or a stud. Myself I was or am a conservative due to verbal abuse so this new found approach to being able to speak my mind and swear if I desired to is refreshing but not my world. Blue to Red not Red to Blue..
I am getting more excited to watch Game of Thrones. What if what I watched these past three weeks sucked on purpose because the director either did not provide enough back ground or those few seconds to capture the moment on purpose. The movies here suck in two different ways. It seems that people actually speak everything out. Example Wayward pines - the guy instead of rushing in and killing everyone opposing him. HE actually says hold up and put your weapons on the ground and only one shots and he kills that one while the rest surrounds what the h e double hockey sticks world is this. We do not plan We act. We do not take prisoners we survive. How have I survived the zombies and sharks? Being more than they are. ONE Season not Two Season for Wayward Pines.
Wild the story line different. The approach different. The plot of people living tres or two years being able to wake up in a bed without being drained. This world is wild. I wonder if I could survive here.
Wild. I do not know what I am watching but the clarity is I am not where I was. Also I just notice my wife's hair is pulled back not curly and out. I think I have a new wife. At least now the Simpson's are on. If I get back remember blue to red red to blue..
Now the Simpson the world global shows up and what the some how South America has moved about six hundred miles towards Africa. What the.. Marge is dancing as a pop singer?
Wild I knew the author that died recently. Having meet him on line he was trying to find someone to help his dogs before he died. Now I just watched a Purge of I think my spanish is not that bad economist. This is wild.
What am I watching. I just watched Simpson take a standardized test without a joke. The department of standardized test - who the heck are they? There so far has not been a single joke. Not a single joke or anyhing but Bart playing with a bug. What is this? Skinner is begging here in this world what happened to his attitude? What is this Homer is moving a parking meter for coins and not drinking beer nor working at the nuclear plant.
What is this Bart takes the exam. The government says it will destroy the school? What is this? Now Train my dragon - and the hero again is not the hero I remember.. Who in the world makes this up. Being pushed down the rabbit hole makes me wonder what else I am missing?
I checked my inside of my shoe again just to check. I buy Sketchers. But my shoe says Skecher - either I am in a knockoff world or someone has no sense of spelling.
New looking at Nepoleon which makes the word Despotism which was given to Nopoleon due to his placing all his family on the thrones of Europe is now spelled Napoleon. Another reason I remember Nepoleon was I played war of Waterloo for three years and now I can not find it.
Skinner wild - instead of lining people pulling fire alarm instead of lining everyone up and moving them out - in this world they pair up and have a fire mate to leave the building? I think this would cause some people to be burnt up instead of leaving a building. So maybe this is the unsafe world.
The purge of the Simpson is the program is now trying to tell kids to study and pass a standardized test? he is having a nightmare that the school would be destroyed because he failed the exam and destroy the town? What in the world - who is running the Simpsons? Where was the humor? Satire is dead I think. Maybe this is just a bad dream.
The police now have Simpson and they give a lecture instead of firing their gun. What in the world? I am sure now I am not in a good universe. Either humor is dead or Barts sister is evil in this universe where in my world she would try to help Bart succeed in the test versus give B which in my world the answer is C the most common answer to multiply choice tests..
Also there seems to be a hell of a lot more commercials. I must get out of here. Maybe I will try a spell tonight. My fear is what happens if this gets me someplace worst. So far in five days I have noticed in one of those days my dog was scared of me. I figure the dog rule applies through the universe parallel affects. Meaning in one of these universe I owe some people an apology or I need to find me and beat the shit out of him. Being blind and one legged this requires me some thing to think about. More commercials. this place is trying to sell something I am not sure. Still no humor with Bart Simpson what the hell is going on with comedy in this parallel world?
Marge is lecturing Homer and Homer just lied without no problem and She believed it. This is not the Marge I remember nor is this humorous.. What has happened?
Bart is trying hard on a test to save his school? and the globe shows up and the map is wrong again some how the whole north and south america is tilted what in the world. Marge is thanking the standardize department - where in the world is the humor or satire? Finally they have some humor by knocking down a wall. But then they put a wild and weird statement. IF you watched the Simpson for twenty years you realize something tenable has happened. No humor no satire no . no no no no.. Either my spanish is getting worst or this world is practical and no nonsense world.
MArge is watching an ichie and Scratchie play and it is not showing them murdering each other. Finally Itch shows up and cuts the cat to pieces but this makes no sense. The mouse and cat should never speak and yet they are speaking and Homer has now lost his few hairs on his head and their song uses the word erotic in a song.. That is not the Simpson. No sex policy no change. Who changed the script?
Skinner talks in an audience? This is nuts - Skinner speaks and speech he does not speak without an issue. Skinner is a transgemder dress wearing person? Total is equals?
Finally he faints that makes sense but then a joke is actual made and it is not funny but they laugh?
Bazaario world.. They make the kids dance with each others? More commercials and they are selling cake and banks - wild the commercial is not even for a bank in Bolivia.
CAT watc commmerical has changed. I do nto recall what it use to say bt built to last was not the theme. Style or something else.
CERN you are playing a poor boy from Montana very wrong. More commercials this does not make sense Bolivia does not have this much products or I wolud be fat if I could eat what I am seeing on the television and believe me I can eat.
Well I am a little bit more flipped out. Kung Fu Panda the Panda has lost weight and does not have the fluffy feeling I know. If I watch something I know it. Some where in this parallel universe is a fat panda bear which I like. This one was a bit more gross and less likable;
Searching for more changes - now this is the wildest - clicking on yahoo I am taken to Firefox install download. Firefox is not used in my universe unless with TOR to lose the hacker police. And to see an advertisement does not mean it clicks all the way to try to install the program on my computer. Denied. Unless you fixed your browser why would I use it?
Who is this Trump? 50 million he is saying in primaries - the last time I checked five days ago was 36 million dollars. Where did 14 million dollars go in 5 days? His voice does not sound the same. He sounds tired versus the guy I knew was more vocable.
He is talking access to him? He is talking Bernie Sander - trade agreement great finally something I remember him talking about still he sounds different.
First off - everyone I have contacted has acted differently within the past 3 to 5 days. Depending on what I would expect and what I have seen.
Example I just got done taking tea with my wife's family.
1. My wife was mad at her sister and was or would not even talk to her in a normal voice but a voice of high pitch meanness you know the type.
Here she is speaking with her, and laughing with her currently over tea. She even shared a meal with her.
2. My mother in law whose personality is that of a wonderful lady and completely polite to a fault of taking harm to herself and telling me not to scream or do anything unkind or use wrong words.
Here she is the most colorful person with a description of abusing some people that I had to admit was different.
3. My sister in law just asked me to bake a brownie cake which I had just done. I remember specifically my wife telling me not to bake for her due to some health problem or other.
Here She seems to have lost a few pounds of fat and has a lovely face instead of being a little fat. Now there was not a word when I mentioned I would do that and make it a skittle castle which I am excited about because this will be my first baking of skittles.
4. What makes me sure that I am not from this world. My wife is painting a napkin holder. This is why I know I am not from this world. Why? She painted two days ago while I was watching her.
Here The napkin holder her was unpainted and she is painting it black right now. From brown wood to black.
5. My blood sugar is down. I think corn syrup must not be in any of the products here. In m universe I have about 22 pounds of the sugar in my system.
6. Everyone of the people I contacted on facebook is more colorful in their language.
Here being salty is being who you are versus where I came from hiding your true feelings was something you had to do to be considered Politically correct.
7. Both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump look totally different.
Here Trump looks like he was hit with a serious stick and lost his happiness and personality loved by universe. Bernie Sanders seems to have lost 20 pounds and this is the wildness his hair. Ether he has learned to comb it better he has more hair in this universe then in mine.
8. Mentally I am not all together here I am afraid. Some how I think the person that was here before me has been a bit more adventurous then me. My feelings about other feelings towards me leaves me feeling that I might have done something which in my universe would be considered a no no.
9. Politically this is even wilder.
Here Gary Johnson polls at 11 percent. In my universe he is was getting 10. A small different but one being a libertarian I would have noticed because I will not vote Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders Super delegates Hillary has 525 now in my universe she only had 501. Bernie has 39 in my world he has 43. But the switch up is the voter she was 216 away from reaching 2383. What surprises me most is Trump is showing he is losing to Hillary. In my world the last time I remember he was at 48 percent Hillary 41 and 10 percent went to Gary Johnson. Note the only reason I know about Gary Johnson in my world he was a Peace Corps volunteer from Minot North Dakota. I am sure hoping nothing has changed that.
10. Reality switch that is really getting me. I can not wait to see what the writers here have done to the Game of Thrones. This should be interesting and I wonder if the Wheel of Times series is different.
I was awoken by little kid. My daughter whom I love very much. She had changed. She seemed more fearful of me and less smiley for some reason.
I noticed that the spell was still working when I went to play with my dog. Instead of greeting me and being normal he barked and had to sniff and look at me to see if I was whom I was. In this world the dog knows more than the people.
What confirmed my parallel existence was confirmed by three events of which I will try to explain my memory of how life was versus how it appears to be in this disillusion.
First a grader for potatoes. If you remember a steal grader which like myself have run your hand into you will remember the pain of such a cutting instrument. This is something you would remember. Today I was surprised to find a modern grader plastic and sharp enough to cut on the first slice instead of needing three pushes to get through the blade. In my surprise I asked when did we get this. My doppelganger wife said we have always had it. That was when I knew I was not either right in the head or in someplace else. The head part I can figure out being off medicines for pain, illusions and other meds for the past 8 months I thought maybe I was missing something.
The spell had worked - the room where I was visiting had changed in small ways enough if you looked you could see the change. Example a plant stand that yesterday stood next to my chair and held my book while I petted my dog not this doppelganger dog that presently is still trying to figure out whom I am. He is also way to clean to be my dog. I know my dog I smell him and he is not the smell I used to remember. Anyway the plant stand is no longer where it stood yesterday, which had held my book. One might say they moved it along with a chair, reupholstered a coach that had been a linen cloth throw over to being a linen cloth fitted coach. These are three of the small items I saw just in that room. The spell that whomever has used is changing people memories too.
My older doppelganger daughter whom I love answered two questions correct but the third question she got wrong. Now we have watched Forrest Gump at least seven times it was her favorite for a few months. The line - Forrest Gump: My momma always said, "Life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." I know she knew the correct or in my parallel universe world statement which goes Forrest Gump: My momma always said, "Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." Someone is trying to drain hope and life from this parallel world I am not sure whom or why but the Bookworms society is gone. I tried their extension and no one will answer. I fear the worst. This is whom I am today 5/22/2016. The word to remember tomorrow is Blue Red not Red Blue. let me see if that changes back or stays the same. In this universe, I am still alone. Scared not as much as I would expect to visit a parallel universe, but I noticed the change on 5/19/2016 with my mother in-law and I know she is not whom I used to know. Kindness is our only hope. Star Wars also has changed. Why would it be "No, I am your father" not "Luke. I am your father." It is like every pleasant quote are being rewritten by the supercomputer that the CIA turned on which was super cooled to allow time travel and CERN which allowed a particle from another dimension has shifted this world. Something's excellent and something's bad. I am still me. A triangle has more than 180 degrees.
"Are you sure you want to jump in?" "The hole is quite deep and once in you might not be able to get out." Being a stubborn new Bookworm whose ideology was always up for a new adventure I said "I was ready." Like that I was pushed into the possibility of a different better world which was and now wasn't and would not be remembered by that generation after me because so few people read.
The first story I was given was Forrest Gump. I had watched the movie several times the movie inspiring me to think and do more than I should and always be kind and nice. I was quite taken back when the reality I was in fell right into the rabbit hole. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109830/quotes THE quote was changed - Forrest Gump: My momma always said, "Life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." THAT was wrong I looked for an explanation. I searched and then got out my old VCR and watched the movie - magically it had changed there too. The magic seemed to affect all printed, electrical material, and movies. I asked a person whom I knew watched the movie with me and she said the quote as it is now. Forrest Gump: My momma always said, "Life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." BUT I asked should it not say Forrest Gump: My momma always said, "Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." She said and I quote "oh that makes the whole movie more interesting went about her business as if what I had said never occurred. The rabbit hole entering is a dangerous one. Be ware be careful whom you share this information with. FOR I have found that the world has changed dramatically since I have left the service of the Bookworms. The magic is evil in that it is steal hope and replacing simple advertisement charm and wit with boring and not so good quotes for a purpose. To what purpose. Just thinking about the person I was talking to - to make her less interesting and more mean. The second story after finding myself afraid and not sure what to say or whom to ask. I was given a company's name. JCPenny story. I knew them. They were an occult store that hired supposedly only virgins for some reason. JC Penny you know you have shopped there right? To my wildest dreams who every changed the name magically added an E... Why an E? JC Penney. What in the world? How can this be. I looked online and everywhere. The new spelling along with the old spelling was there. Evidently the old spelling still had not been magically erased on eBay. And there I noticed the B in Bay was now a b. What in the world. At least I could find JC Penny spelled right in obituaries and old static print newspapers and microfiche. This was to much I called the Bookworm society. There was no answer. I began to panic. I called my mom. She remembers JCPenny too. Thank the Lord of Light. I tried the Bookworm society again but to no avail. Third for what ever reason my adventure spell or lesson gave me the movie Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.. “Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who’s the fairest of them all?”. That was what I was expecting but what the magic spell creates was -
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)
[first lines]
Queen: Slave in the magic mirror, come from the farthest space, through wind and darkness I summon thee. Speak! Let me see thy face.
Magic Mirror: What wouldst thou know, my Queen?
Queen: Magic mirror on the wall, who is the fairest one of all?
Magic Mirror: Famed is thy beauty, Majesty. But hold, a lovely maid I see. Rags cannot hide her gentle grace. Alas, she is more fair than thee.
Queen: Alas for her! Reveal her name.
Magic Mirror: Lips red as the rose. Hair black as ebony. Skin white as snow.
Queen: Snow White! I was faint. And realized I knew the source of this evilness even if my fellow Bookworms would not come forth or answer their phone. Being a watcher what does a person do? What should a person do? I spoke to my spell again and another disturbing sign appeared. Once I knew and one I thought must have been the pre advertisement sign. Chevron Blue and Red. The other Chevron Red and Blue. My realization of the change was looking at all Chevrons now which show a Red and Blue sign. That can not be. What type of magically spell is there to do this to me and the whole world. I asked a person I knew who worked at Chevron about the change. They looked blankly at me. Myself I was at this point not sure where to begin. So I went shopping with my wife. The adventure spell was working - I know I owned Fruit Loop cereal and how to spell Fruit from that silly TouCan bird. But there in Fruit spelling area was FROOT. I rushed home to see what the h e double hockey pucks had happened thinking maybe there was new advertisement or something. BUT no the magic spell had turned all the boxes and advertisements on line to FROOT instead of Fruit. Madness says I being a partial pirate this sounds like my math observation when in high school when I noticed there could be more than 180 degrees in triangle everyone laughed at me but I have learned differently since then. You see and this is a magical statement, and you must realize this anything you can imagine could happen whether good or bad evil or brave, wild or crazy when a parallel universe is opened up such as CERN has opened up her in this day and age. Looking for a safe place to survive this dooms day prediction, which should take from 1999 to 70 years outside it or 2027 when they announce being contacted by aliens, I started my search for safety only to discover all my maps and globes have been messed with along with old maps. The only once, I could find, which knew were right were handed drawn by myself during a search for lost items of the Bookworm society. The five most notable are as follows: When did New Zealand split into two islands? On my map when looking for a bird that was thought extinct but a muscled forearm was found in 1890 and preserved some how in a cave I had drawn the whole island as one island. The detail was quite good and now everything was different. Two Japan some how moved up north and over east by 140 miles putting it like right off the coast of North Korea. I was thinking of all the missiles fired from there and would have landed on the Japanese. What or where the magic spell this powerful came from. I knew the source but that tale is forbidden. No one should have used the idol but no one was picking up at the Bookworm society either. Voodoo of Haiti wild to think a stone idol could do this. Again that is another story. Three when did the Statue of Liberty move from Ellis island and instead of pointing towards New York and being part New York and New Jersey becomes part of New Jersey only and move to Liberty Island. That and since when did a bridge exist between New York and Ellis island. The magic spell must be running amok. Someone must not know what they have, or they like switching islands and randomly placing historical landmarks on different locations and such. Fourth when on earth, studying the seven seas and four oceans did we get the Southern ocean? I do not recall a southerly ocean did you? I must have been asleep, and my maps that I have hand drawn must be wrong. The fifth is sort of wild but more weird in some newer maps Saudi Arabia is splitting off Asia Minor. I have seen some this way and others not. The real question is it truth? That was what the Bookworm society was suppose to protect and at the moment. NOW world your imagination is free but evil so beware what you dream and what you wish for. For when books, videos, and history can be changed along with who dies and lives for I have at present seen a few people i know have died or at least thought or recall reading about their death now show back up. I wonder. TO ME BOOkWORMS where are you? Whatever evil has befallen you remember for goodness sake. The Lion shall lie down with the lamb. NOT the Wolf shall lie down with the lamb.
a major question to ask - if reptiles are going to destroy humanity in 10000 years by outbreeding humans and hybrids are humans what to do?
Do you let this happen?
Do you warn people and how?
Who cares?
Where is humanities defenders? There is questions but no answers at present.
Rights and Duties: For each moral right there is a corresponding moral duty.
• Negative rights create corresponding duties in all other moral agents.
Moral agent myself - decision to warn the world of human exstiction in 10,000 years by a reptile race.
• Positive rights create corresponding duties in specific individuals. Being given information that has been null proven can one act against a hybrid race?
• Special rights create corresponding duties in individuals identified by examining the
actions or relationships that create the right. Finding out that deities are a myth and we are at war whether we like it or not with reptiles what do you do?
Possession Criteria:
• For each moral right there is a “checklist” of characteristics an individual must have in order
to possess that right. The items on this list are the possession criteria for that right. An
individual has a moral right only if it meets these criteria.
• Possession criteria must be morally relevant to the nature and content of the right. Knowledge of something that is not right in this world
o Possession criteria for natural rights are always natural characteristics of the
individual (e.g., rationality, sentience). What does one do with knowledge others are missing?
o Possession criteria for special rights always have to do with actions or relationships
(e.g., parent-child relationship, act of making a promise). Speculation if life is not what you expect do you have a right to destroy what is currently there to challenge a unknown future?
o Possession criteria for negative rights are generally factors that enable one to be
autonomous (i.e., self-governing); e.g., rationality, experience of the world.
Having traveled parallel universes what have I learned.
No God
There appears to be reptiles
They seem to have a long term plan for extiction of humanity 10,000 years.
No one currently is working on humanities behalf.
o Possession criteria for positive rights are generally one’s vulnerability to harm.
Harm is 10000 years in the future
Current hybrid reptile humans have rights
what to do with a group of non humans?
The Right to Life: This right does not fit cleanly into any of the above categories. It would be
better to describe this as a set of related moral rights.
They desire to live - ie reptile humans
They win in 10000 years if we do nothing now
Is humanity worth anything?
Human Rights: There does not seem to be any way of establishing suitable possession criteria
for human rights. It would be irrelevant and unjust to use a biological category (e.g., being
human), and other characteristics (e.g., being rational) do not apply to all and only human beings.
Thus, it seems that there are no genuinely human rights.
Rights in Conflict:
• A moral issue cannot be settled by pointing out just one of the rights involved. Rights
conflict with one another, and we must determine which rights override which other ones.
• Immunity rights often override liberty rights, although there are exceptions (e.g., harming
another in self-defense).
• Each moral right is either absolute or defeasible:
• Absolute: Automatically overrides any other right with which it conflicts.
• Defeasible: May be overridden by other moral rights.
• An action that conflicts with a moral right is not automatically morally impermissible. It
could be that the right with which it conflicts is overridden in this situation by some other
right.
• Violating a right: An action violates a right when it conflicts with that right and that
right has not been overridden by other rights in that situation. Such actions are
morally impermissible.
• Infringing upon a right: An action infringes upon a right when it conflicts with a right
and that right has been overridden by other rights in that situation. Such actions are
morally permissible.
Questions to Ask about Moral Rights:
1. Which rights are there?
2. Who has the corresponding duties?
3. How should we resolve conflicts among rights?
4. Do rights admit of degree?
5. What are the possession criteria for each right?
On May 19th I believed in a deity. Christ, jewish ideology, etc.
On May 20th 2016 I awoke in the multiverse.
For the past few months I have asked whether there is a deity in charge and is there one or many.
My answers are as follows.
Per Rabbi there can only be one universe and if a multiverse only one extra universe. I asked why. there can only be one deity.
Per Christianity the multiverse goes against their belief that there is only one deity.
Since they did not read my story, nor cared to help me let me assure you there is more than one universe.
That there is a deity who has higher power but not a deity that I was raised to believe in.
What does that mean. It means I spent money, and time wasted on a religion that is man made and deceives their followers.
It means that we are all only responsible for our own actions. There is no deity forcing you to be evil or good. If you are good great if you are evil you are just an asshole.
Hi Clint,
I did not read the entire rambling post, as you said. I can’t read rambling. What I got is that you feel as if you are living in different universes, where things are different from one day to the next, and you want to know if this has any basis in reality.
First off, I think that if there are multiple universes (or a multiverse), you would only experience one. Second, I am a rabbi, not a mathematician or physicist, so I can’t prove the multiverse idea for you. What I can do is talk about the possibility of such a thing according to the Torah’s teaching. Third, and this is probably the most important, if you could somehow prove the multiverse, how would that help you?
I want to suggest the following article on our site for you to read, which may help you make sense of things, even though it does not address your question directly.
I will also add that the Torah teaches the concept of Teshuvah, which means repentance and return to G-d. The power of Teshuvah is such that it can change the past. Not change in the sense of make something else happen, but it can change the significance of a past event or action from negative to positive.
Please let me know if this helps. All the best,
Rabbi Shmary Brownstein
Chabad.org - Rabbis That Care
Multiverse ? — Christian Theology and Scientific Rationality
( Would a multiverse be compatible with Christian theology and scientific rationality? )
Appendix: Universe or Multiverse and/or Intelligent Design of Nature?
( Would a multiverse explain why our universe is “fine tuned” to support life? )
by Craig Rusbult, Ph.D.
This page supplements my page about The Anthropic Principle & Fine Tuning: Multiverse and/or Intelligent Design? and an overview-summary that I recommend reading first, before this page.
Here is a brief summary of
key concepts about a multiverse:
Explaining the Fine Tuning: We live in a universe where the properties of nature are fine tuned so they are “just right” for life. Why? Two currently plausible theories propose that either...
• we live in a universe that is intelligently designed, or
• our universe is part of a huge multiverse (containing many universes with different properties of nature, thus letting us "beat the odds" against fine tuning); this multiverse may or may not be designed.
It seems that neither of these theories can be proved or disproved,* so our evaluations of these theories can be strongly influenced by personal preference for a particular worldview and its associated way of life, plus other factors that include philosophy of science, and more.
* Speculations: Currently the most popular proposals for a multiverse claim theoretical support from cosmological inflation (early in the Big Bang) and string theory, but multiverse proponents acknowledge that direct observational evidence for their theory seems to be impossible, so we can ask “is it really science?” We should not think of a multiverse as an actual reality, but as apotential reality, a speculative proposal (with some scientific support) that we can imagine.
Beating the Odds: In a 5-card hand of poker, getting a royal flush (XJQKA of same suit) is highly improbable, so the odds against it are high. But if you deal a large number of hands, observing a royal flush becomes highly probable, so the odds favor it. Similarly, the odds against a fine-tuned universe are extremely high, but if we live in a huge multiverse (containing many universes with varying properties of nature) having one or more life-allowing universes becomes highly probable so the odds favor it, and we live in one of these life-allowing universes.
Universe-Types and Universe-Actualizations: When we ask “how many universes are in a multiverse?” we must consider two factors. Using calculations based on M-theory (which unifies 5 earlier string theories), scientists estimate that a multiverse might contain 10500 different types of universes; and each universe-type might occur in an immense number of actualized universes of the same type that would all have the same properties of nature but (due to having different initial conditions, plus the divergences allowed by quantum uncertainties and described by chaos theory)different histories of nature, with variations on similar basic developmental histories. / I say "might contain... types of universes" and "might occur... actualized universes" to remind you that these should be considered potential types and potential actualizations because, as explained above, there is no direct observational evidence for a multiverse.
Single-Universe or Multiverse-Universe: We might live in a single-universe (that exists independent from any other universes, so it's not part of a multiverse) or in a multiverse-universe (that is part of a multiverse).
The Anthropic Principle — which states that because humans exist, we must observe a universe with properties that allow our existence — is logically valid, and this anthropic selection effect(placing a limit on WHAT can be observed) is compatible with either the presence or absence of intelligent design and a designer, because it doesn't explain WHY our universe is fine tuned for life. But in a multiverse, beating the odds might explain WHY a universe with fine tuning exists, and a second selection effect might explain WHERE fine tuning is observed. { Can we also use aCanine Principle? }
Part 1 — A Multiverse: Christian Theology and Scientific Rationality
The Puzzle of Existence by Robert Mann, is an excellent overview of interesting ideas (scientific, philosophical, theological) that help us understand current thinking about a multiverse. After a summary and brief introduction, Mann continues by asking why is there Something instead of Nothing? (a traditional question) and (in a new question that can be imagined for a multiverse)Something instead of Everything? He then describes (using the mass of neutrons as one example of the many life-permitting features in our universe) the science of Our Atypical Universe with itsBiophilic Selection, and explains Cosmic Fine-Tuning, Cosmic Inflation, and how String Theory allows this proposal for a multiverse:
"There could be as many as 10500 kinds of ground states to [string] theory, each with its own particular properties and features. Our universe is presumably described by one of these kinds. ... Perhaps all of these different kinds of ground states — in other words, different kinds of universes — actually exist, with ours being one amongst this vast set."
For this part of the paper (the first 6 pages) mainly I just learned from Robert in the science parts, and generally appreciated his skill as a thinker-and-writer who can effectively teach a coherent system of ideas that I find fascinating and intellectually stimulating.
But the final part of his paper (in the last 3 pages) — The Multiverse Paradigm, Theology's New Challenge, The Duplication Dilemma, and Summary — raises important questions aboutChristian Theology and Scientific Rationality that I will respond to, based on...
Four Rational Principles we should use when asking
“Wouldn't it be strange if EVERYTHING happens?”
This objection — claiming “it would be much too strange” if everything happens in a multiverse — is based mainly on philosophical preference rather than theological necessity. Here are some reasons to think we should say “wait a minute” and put the strangeness into perspective by thinking rationally:
• Rational Principle #1 (re: physical possibility) — There are important differences between an immense multiverse (where MANY THINGS happen) and an infinite multiverse (where EVERYTHING happens). The mathematics of infinity produces results that seem absurd in our normal non-infinite ways of thinking. An argument based on converting these mathematical absurdities into philosophical absurdities will seem much less impressive when we think about the important differences between an infinite multiverse (which is physically impossible, and would be very strange) and an immense multiverse (which might be possible, and would be less strange). ...[a concluding comment from AP/MaoID, about the difference between immensity and infinity, is not included here]... [recently, in 2016, I've added a paragraph about non-infinite mathematics for Probabilistic Resources versus Probabilistic Requirements]
• Rational Principle #2 (re: actual experience, here-and-now) — If we imagine an omnipresent super-observer who is simultaneously EVERYWHERE and who thus can observe all of the many things that would happen in an immense multiverse, this super-observer might see some strange things. But this would not occur with normal physical creatures like you and me, because we would observe things in the same way we do now, as one creature living in one universe. The strangeness of a multiverse is only in your imagination; in your actual experience, nothing would be different. There would not be a duplication dilemma.
• Rational Principle #2h (re: humility) — As a theological supplement to Principle #2, a humble theist should acknowledge that if God — who is an omnipotent super-observer, contrary to Principle #2 for creatures — understands the "many things" happening, and approves, that should be sufficient for us, whether or not we understand or approve.
• Rational Principle #3 (re: theology) — An essential principle of Judeo-Christian theology is our claim that God is sovereign. Therefore, Christians should believe that in an immense multiverse the "many things" that happen would include only what God allows to happen.
note: These 4 principles are quoted from the "Philosophy and Theology" section of my page about Anthropic Principle: Multiverse and/or Intelligent Design? that is abbreviated AP/MaoID in this page, and is summarized here.
Would a designed multiverse be a worthy way for God to create? ( yes, but... )
Yes, I agree with Robert in preferring (aesthetically and theologically) a single universe — cleverly designed by God so it will support human life — instead of a cleverly designed multiverse.
But whatever way God chose to create, we should say (and I'm sure Robert agrees) that "You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being." (Revelation 4:11, NIV)
And I agree with Robert that, despite this ultimate humility, in our current state of “not knowing how God created” we should use whatever we do know (when all things are considered, theologically and scientifically) to think about how God created, and to explain what we're thinking. That is what Robert and I are trying to do, in his paper and my page, and in other ways. {more about methods of creation and appropriate humility}
Parts-of-Paper and Whole Paper: Although I've tried to describe Robert's views accurately, I want to help you understand quickly so I've been selective by quoting some parts but not others. Therefore, if you want to know what he says and how, you should read his paper, The Puzzle of Existence.
Quotations in this page are from my page AP/MaoID== and The Puzzle of Existence by Robert Mann. {other presentations by Robert Mann}
Locations for Quotations: To help you know “where to look” so you can see the context of the parts I'm quoting, and what he says in-between, I'll use a system to show the quotation-location. For example, the first citation below is labeled "147L6-147R9" in two parts that show the beginning & ending of the quoting. The right-side table shows 18 parts of page 147, including 147L6 and 147R9. The location of "147 L 6" is on page 147, on the left side (L), a little more than halfway down (6). Similarly, "147R9" is on page 147, on Right side, near the bottom (9). I've assembled the paragraph below by using excerpts within this range, from 147L6 to 147R9.
Formats for Quotes & Non-Quotes & Comments: In this page, regular quotation marks (like "these two") show that I'm quoting Robert's paper or my AP/MaoID; and “smart quotes” are used for non-quotations; and my comments are in [square brackets]. To clarify who is saying what, many paragraphs begin with RM (Robert Mann) or CR (Craig Rusbult) so you'll know whose ideas are being described. {other papers & talks by Robert Mann}
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A Duplication Dilemma ? (this would not be a problem for Christian theology)
RM: As an example to illustrate "a number of subordinate interrelated problems that science and theology must both contend with in the context of a multiverse paradigm," Robert Mann describes {in 147L6-147R9} the Duplication Dilemma: "Consider a universe that is infinite in spatial extent and in which there is an unbounded amount of energy [note by CR: this is one of the proposed mechanisms for producing an "infinite" multiverse, and it correctly illustrates the weirdness that would occur in the infinite multiverse that is proposed by some scientists], everywhere obeying the laws of physics in our observable patch. ... By simply allowing matter and energy to realize all possible configurations that are permitted by the known laws of physics [which would produce an infinite number of actualized universes, each having different initial conditions and thus different histories, even though each actualized universe is the same universe-type and thus has the same properties of nature]... there is enough time, space, and matter to realize all possible known configurations of every allowed physical system" so "any given physical system, individual, or society will experience everything it can experience." And what about you? "Since human DNA has a finite number of configurations, your body will have a duplicate in this infinite universe." In fact, "such duplicates will occur infinitely many times" so you (via your duplicates) will experience everything you can experience, because "all possible social, psychological, and physical outcomes occur" so "at any given instant in which you made an apparent choice, there is an equivalent situation somewhere out there in which your duplicate made a different choice. If you have ever wondered what life might be like if you had not met your spouse, taken that job, or passed that test, you can be confident that somewhere else in the multiverse your duplicates have had these experiences."
CR: This does seem strange, until we remember Principle #2 which is the fact that YOU only experience what is happening to you here-and-now in our universe. IF there is an immense multiverse, your experience would not be any different than it is now. Even though the potential "duplication" sounds strange when it's described in vivid language, the strangeness is only in your imagination; in your actual experience, nothing would occur that is unusual in any way.
CR: And when RM asks you to "Consider a universe..." he should say (and he would agree) “Imagine a universe...” because any type of multiverse is speculative (so it must be imagined) and an infinite multiverse is physically impossible, as explained in Principle #1. Therefore we should ask, “Would duplication be an actual problem, or only an imagined problem that occurs only in imaginative speculations about ‘everything’ (not just many things) happening in an impossible infinite multiverse?”
If Duplicates Exist, We Are Not Unique (this would not be a problem)
RM: "Duplication poses interesting theological challenges,... [especially] a loss of uniqueness. If I am replicated many times in the multiverse, in what sense can I be understood to be a child of God, being worth more than many sparrows? To be sure, loss of uniqueness is a theological issue, one too easily dismissed by its critics. {148L4-148L5}"
CR: No, duplication is not a "theological challenge." Yes, it can be "easily dismissed" because we have a common practical precedent in our world (where ‘duplication’ is not considered a problem for identical twins) plus three logical reasons (based on three rational principles for thinking about an imaginary strangeness if “everything happens”) that are explained in my AP/MaoID:
First, remember Principle #1 and ask, “Would duplication be an actual problem, or only an imagined problem that occurs only in imaginative speculations about ‘everything’ happening in an infinite multiverse that is physically impossible?”
Second, remember Principle #2. Even if duplicates exist, this would not be a theological problem because each person (you and the genetic duplicate) would be living independently — with no knowledge of the other person — in different universes, and God would hold each of you morally accountable for the way you live, for your decisions and actions in your own here-and-now situations. This would be similar to identical twins (having the same DNA, and usually the same family environment) living in our world now, which causes no theological problems because God holds each twin accountable, as an individual person, for the way they live. If identical twins are not a problem for God (if He "approves" of these humans, as described in Principle #2h) then we should not consider twins to be a theological problem; and if actual twins (that do occur) are not a problem, potential duplicates (that might occur) are also not a problem.
Third, remember Principle #3. Judeo-Christian monotheists who believe the Bible will believe that God is sovereign. We should reject an atheistic interpretation of a multiverse. Instead, when we think about “many things happening” we should view this as “only things allowed by God” because God has sovereign control over everything that occurs everywhere in His creation. If God created an immense multiverse, He could decide that life will exist only on our Earth — and He could achieve this goal in two ways, either by miraculously creating life only on Earth (if life cannot be naturally produced by a chemical evolution from non-living chemicals) or (if life can and does naturally evolve) by “killing the life” whenever it occurs on other planets — and this is what would occur, no more and no less; or God could also create life, or allow life, in other places in our universe, or in more than one universe, perhaps in an immense number of universes. And whatever God decides — whether it's life only on Earth, or also on other planets, or also in other universes — that is fine with me, and is compatible with what the Bible teaches.
a general comment: In agreement with Robert, I personally would prefer (for aesthetic and theological reasons) to live in a designed single-universe. But, to a greater extent than Robert, I think a designed multiverse-universe is compatible with Bible-based Christian theology. By contrast, I think one type of proposed multiverse is not compatible with Christian theology:
MWI - Duplicates in Quantum-Split Histories? (this WOULD be a major problem)
As explained above and below, "duplicates" would not be a problem (practical, philosophical, or theological) in a normal multiverse. But in one very strange type of proposed multiverse — which is not mentioned in Mann's paper — duplicates would be a theological problem, although not a practical problem. { In a common classification system what I'm calling a "normal multiverse" is Levels 1 or 2, and the "very strange" multiverse is Level 3. }
Going beyond the scientific assertions of quantum physics, a Many Worlds Interpretation (MWI) proposes that during each quantum interaction every possible result is physically actualized in a different branch of history, with each branch actually happening in its own physical universe. { Why is MWI not necessary, and not useful? }
If this quantum-splitting occurs, it would produce an unimaginably immense number of branching histories because the universe contains a huge number of elementary particles, and these are continually (often zillions of times each second) involved in quantum-interactions that would produce MW-Splitting, and each interaction has a huge number of possible quantum-results; IF every possible result, from each quantum interaction in the universe, produces a different branch of history during one instant of time, during the following instant each of these branches will be split-again into an immense number of different results, and this continuous sequential branching would have occurred zillions of times every second for the past 13.8 billion years, producing an exponentially growing number of history-branches. Wow!
All of these histories would occur in worlds having the same universe-type, and all begin with the same initial conditions, so an MWI-multiverse would not be useful in a non-design explanation for the fine tuning of our universe. But MWI is useful for arguing against design-directed action during the history of nature, since everything that (with non-zero probability) could happen — including a natural origin of life and all of its possible developments during biological evolution — would happen in some branches of history, and these branches would be (due toanthropic selection) where we are.
What theological problems occur with a Many Worlds Interpretation?
A. Identity and Accountability: In an MWI-multiverse,
in almost all branches of mwi-history, you were never born;
but in a few branches, you were born and then during your life you “say YES to God” and are reconciled with Him;
and in a few branches, you were born and then you “say NO to God.”
In this situation, which “history of you” would be used by God for accountability, for evaluating your moral/spiritual thoughts and actions? The basic problem is that an MWI-multiverse (if it really exists, but I don't think it does) would destroy the here-and-now principle that makes duplication a non-problem in other types of hypothetical multiverses where "you only experience what is happening to you here-and-now" (this would stay the same with MWI) and (here is the big difference with MWI) if duplicates exist, "God would hold each of you morally accountable for the way you live, for your decisions and actions in your own here-and-now situations." By contrast, with MWI you have zillions of duplicates that really are YOU (sort of) because YOU are thinking every possible thought while making every possible decision, and physically doing every possible action, in each here-and-now; and these differing thoughts-and-actions (mega-schizophrenia!) lead to an immense number of divergent future histories that will be experienced by some form of “you” without any control by you, that all begin with your current here-and-now and continue diverging in your future here-and-nows.
B. Uncontrolled Evil and Suffering: The essence of MWI, with every possible quantum-result happening, seems to deny the possibility of divine control. But in Christian theologies (Arminian or Calvinistic) God is sovereign, and whatever happens is only what God allows and/or causes to happen. Without any divine control, MWI would allow the existence of history-branches with a wide variety of uncontrolled evils and sufferings, thereby violating Principle #3: "in an immense multiverse the ‘many things’ that happen would include only what God allows to happen."
For both A and B, there is a major difference between an MWI-multiverse and non-MWI multiverses:
With MWI there is not control, either by people or God.*
With other proposed multiverses, in each universe every person makes choices in their here-and-now reality; and according to conventional Judeo-Christian theology, God makes choices and has ultimate control.
The choices in A are denied by those who propose a determinism that eliminates human free will, and the choices in B are denied by atheists who declare that God does not exist, and by deists who think that God does not interact with His creation; but whatever choices do exixt, there would be no difference between these choices in a single-universe and a non-MWI multiverse. Whatever choices can be made by humans and by God in a single-universe, the same choices can be made in a non-MWI multiverse. But with an MWI-multiverse the possibility of any choice (by people in A, or by God in B) is declared to be impossible in the basic definition of MWI, as the essence of MWI.
* MWI does propose some control-by-nature because actions that are more probable, according to quantum physics, will occur in more mwi-branches of history. But there is no explicit control, by people or God. Of course, we can propose theistic interpretations of MWI, but these changes would modify its essential foundation, which is allowing quantum wave-functions to develop with total freedom.
What are my responses?
There are no scientific reasons to think an MWI-multiverse exists, and I don't think it exists.
But if MWI does occur so this produces an MWI-Multiverse,
I believe (re: Problem A) that God would somehow convert the basic-MWI into a modified-MWI by giving a special reality status to one branch of history — it's the one we have been experiencing, are experiencing here-and-now, and will continue to experience, in which our thoughts-and-actions will be accountable to God — to prevent one potential theological problem (A) from becoming an actual theological problem.
But (re: Problem B) if the other branches actually exist and are being experienced by people — even if they are not the “us” who are accountable to God) — there would be uncontrolled evil and suffering in some history-branches, thus causing Problem B. This could be solved if God exerted some control over the MWI-multiverse, but I can't understand how this could happen in a way that is consistent with the usual definition of MWI, which prposes that EVERYTHING (with no exceptions) really does happen.
Whatever is happening, at our level and God's level, for us an appropriately humble response is to faithfully follow Principle #2h by acknowledging that "if God ... understands [and wisely evaluates] the ‘many things’ happening [in our single-universe or in any kind of multiverse-universe], and approves, that should be sufficient for us, whether or not we understand or approve."
Now we'll return to Robert Mann's ideas about a non-MWI multiverse (which may or may not exist in reality, we both agree) and my responses.
Christs who Refuse to Die on the Cross (this would not be a problem)
RM: "Duplication presents a serious challenge to Christology. If there are many duplicate worlds, then presumably there are many duplicate Christs. Pursuing the line of reasoning that follows from allowing all initial conditions, in some parts of the multiverse Jesus dies on the cross and in others he does not. [this would happen with MWI but not necessarily with other kinds of multiverse] What then do we make of the concepts of atonement and salvation? Do they only apply to those ‘lucky’ parts of the multiverse where Jesus chose the path of sacrifice? Is Christ to be identified with God only in those sacrificial sectors? Does God so love only certain parts of this multiverse?" {148L5}
CR: If the tri-une God — Father, Son (Christ), Holy Spirit — is sovereign over a multiverse, instead of saying "presumably there are many duplicate Christs" it would be more correct to say “presumably there are many incarnations of Christ.”
CR: This concern — proposing that God might love some parts of the multiverse, but not others — would be a profound violation of Principle #3, regarding the sovereignty of the tri-une God (including Christ) who decides whether Christ will or will not die in each incarnation. Based on the Bible, we have no reason to think that an incarnated Christ would ever refuse to die on the cross by changing His attitude from His actual humble obedience — "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will. (Matthew 26:39)" — to a sinful disobedience, “... not as you will, but as I will, and I'll decide to not drink this cup of death on the cross.” I'm sure that Robert agrees, and in this "challenge" he is describing a question that could be asked by others.* In fact, in a continuation of the quotation above, Robert states this principle of sinless obedience by incarnated Christs, but then (speaking for others) he rejects it:
RM: "These problems [of sinfully disobedient Christs] can be avoided (or at least ameliorated) if one imposes the theological constraint that all the duplicate Christs choose the path of sacrifice. This is fine, but it undermines the motivation behind this simple multiverse in the first place, which was to generate universes by random initial conditions. To impose such a constraint is to eliminate this randomness." {148L8}
CR: By saying "this is fine," Mann agrees that we should expect Christ to always "choose the path of sacrifice." But a Christian does not have to avoid this theological constraint, just to "generate universes by random initial conditions." In a multiverse, God would exert sovereign control over what happens during the history of that universe, after its initial conditions have been established. Christians should strongly affirm it because we believe that God will do what is needed to offer a way for people to be saved, whether this is Christ choosing sacrifice or in some other way.
CR: Even if multiverse-universes were generated with "random initial conditions," God would be sovereign over the history that develops in each universe.
* These others might legitimately claim that disobedient Christs would be one type of "uncontrolled evil" that would occur in some branches of an uncontrolled MWI-multiverse.
Multiverse Interpretation
Should we accept an atheistic interpretation of a multiverse? No.
RM: An interpretation of a multiverse based on conventional Christian theology, which acknowledges the sovereignty of God by affirming that Christ will always behave in the way that Christ (who is part of the tri-une God) decides to behave, "undermines the motivation behind this simple multiverse in the first place, which was to generate universes by random initial conditions. To impose such a constraint is to eliminate this randomness." {148L8}
CR: Above, I ask "why should a Christian avoid this theological constraint?" and explain why we should affirm the constraint. A theistic interpretation of a multiverse is analogous to a theistic interpretation of evolution in theistic evolution. Although atheists can claim that “natural = without God” for natural neo-Darwinian evolution, this is not the way “natural” should be viewed by Judeo-Christian theists. Instead, Jews and Christians should define natural process as being designed, created, sustained, and guided (occasionally or continually) by God. And we should call attention to atheistic interpretations when we see them. For example, in April 1995 the National Association of Biology Teachers (NABT) declared that biological evolution was "unsupervised,"thus adopting an atheistic interpretation of evolution. But in October 1997, non-NABT outsiders persuaded the leaders of NABT to acknowledge that their claim (about a lack of supervision) was not scientifically justifiable, so they dropped this claim. {read the story of NABT and its Biology-Theology} We also should not propose an atheistic interpretation of a multiverse, and we should not uncritically accept this proposal by others; instead we should challenge it by asking, “Can your interpretation be justified by scientific evidence-and-logic? If not, then you should explicitly state that your interpretation of the science is non-scientific.” / note: non-scientific does not mean un-scientific, it means outside science which is not necessarily against science. / also: Jews and Christians who believe what is taught in the Judaic Scriptures that we both accept (these scriptures are often called the Old Testament) are Judeo-Christian theists who should agree about the essentials of Judeo-Christian theology, although followers of Judaism and Christianity will disagree about some aspects of Christian theology; therefore, when I say "Christians" or "Christian theology" this usually is the same as “Judeo-Christian theists” or “Judeo-Christian theology” but sometimes it is different.
Our interpretations of natural process are important. In one part of my Creation-FAQ, in Sections 5A-5G I ask "What can a Christian believe about evolution?" and explain why, even though evolutionary creation (i.e. theistic evolution) is not my own view, I defend its theological acceptability. Here is one reason, quoted from Section 5E of my FAQ for Creation, Evolution, and Design:
A nontheistic interpretation of neo-Darwinian science will see the process of evolution as being not designed by God, using matter not created by God, driven by only chance and selection that were not guided by God. But these claims are theological, not scientific, and a theistic interpretation of the same science can disagree by viewing the evolutionary process as being designed by God, using matter created by God, and (at least sometimes) guided by God. {Divine Guiding of Natural Process} In most fields of science — ranging from the physics of rain to the biochemistry of embryology and physiology — there are no theological criticisms of scientists who accept naturalistic theories proposing “only natural process.” A proposal for theistic evolution [evolutionary creation] just extends this acceptance into another area of science.
And a proposal for a theistic multiverse just extends our theistic interpretations of nature into one more area of science.
When a theory is criticized because it can be interpreted atheistically, this is a good starting point for an evaluation. Then, to decide whether it's a good ending point for a conclusion that the theory must be interpreted in the way proposed by atheists, we should critically evaluate each proposed Christian interpretation (or more generally, Judeo-Christian interpretation) and ask whether it is acceptable, theologically and scientifically. If the answer is “yes, this interpretation is acceptable” and if there is no logically compelling reason to accept an atheistic interpretation, we should reject the atheistic interpretation, explaining why it is being rejected and why instead we are choosing to interpret the theory in the context of our Christian worldview. Christians should interpret a multiverse theory in ways that are acceptable to us; our views of a multiverse should not be determined by the proposals of atheists, by the interpretations they prefer.
Would a multiverse be “too much” for God to govern? ( no )
RM: "The classic picture has been that of a finite creation whose origin, existence, and fulfillment depend on the limitless power of God [who is "omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent"]. ... The creation is subordinate to God and is limited." By contrast, "It is difficult to regard the multiverse as being anything other than a limitless creation. Adopting this viewpoint, the classic picture must be discarded, and a theological tension arises between the power of the Creator and the creation." {146R6-146R8}
CR: Again, notice the equating of potential immensity (in a vast creation) with potential infinity (in a "limitless" creation) by ignoring Principle #1. Also, despite the common assumption that a life-allowing universe will also be life-producing, we should remember the distinction between life-allowing and life-producing and we should believe that a sovereign God decides where and when life will occur. Concerns about multiverse-duplicates assume that life will begin by natural process, because either an origin of life isn't difficult, or any improbabilities will be overcome by immense probabilistic resources.
CR: There is no Bible-based theological reason to conclude that God can cope with a universe but not a multiverse, that a multiverse filled with life would be “too much” for a semi-omniscient God who has limited observational-and-computational abilities so He could not cope with the complexity. But even if this divine limitation does exist (and there is no biblical evidence to support this claim), if we believe that God is omnipotent, then we should believe that He could “limit His focus” by limiting life so it exists only on Earth, or only in this universe, or only in a limited number of universes, because God decides where life will (and will not) occur. Or maybe — and a humble “maybe” is all we can claim to know — God would decide to create a huge number of intelligent creatures throughout a multiverse, by using natural evolution and/or miracles.
Would a designed multiverse be a worthy way for God to create? ( yes )
RM: "In a situation where all possible outcomes are realized it is difficult to avoid a complete degeneration into absurdity. For example, the intelligibility of God reflected through a putatively elegant mathematical description of the multiverse [for a designed universe] is undermined [with a designed multiverse] by the imbecilic generation of all conceivable outcomes." {146R9-147L1}
CR: Again, many conceivable outcomes (which might be possible) would not be "all conceivable outcomes" (this is not possible), using Rational Principle #1 about the impossibility of physical infinities.
CR: Aesthetically and theologically, I also would prefer a designed single-universe. But, as explained in Principle 2h, "a humble theist should acknowledge that if God ... understands the ‘many things’ happening, and approves, that should be sufficient for us, whether or not we understand or approve." Therefore, we should express our personal preferences with appropriate humility, as I urge in the conclusion of my Creation-FAQ asking "What can a Christian believe about evolution?":
In science and theology, our humility should be appropriate, not too little and not too much. We can make some claims, but not others, with confidence. ..... Instead of criticizing either possibility [if God created “with or without miracles” or, in the context of cosmology, created a universe or multiverse] as being a less worthy way for God to create, it seems wise to be humble by deciding that, either way, God's plan for design-and-creation was wonderful and is worthy of our praise. You and I should say in public — and believe in our hearts and minds — that “IF God created using another method (differing from the way I think He created, regarding either age or evolution [or universe or multiverse]), then God is worthy of our praise.” But this humility (if... then...) is compatible with humbly explaining, using arguments from theology and science, why we think a particular view is most likely to be true.
I think Robert agrees with this, and he is simply explaining why he thinks "a particular view [with a designed-and-created universe that is not part of an immense multiverse] is most likely to be true."
Appropriate Humility in Creation Theology
Part of my motivation for writing this page is to avoid a creation theology that is too restrictive, that goes beyond what the Bible teaches. Here are two examples. In the 1600s, some Christians (including leaders of the Roman Catholic Church) insisted that God had created a motionless earth at the center of the universe, not an earth that is orbiting the sun and is rotating once every 24 hours. In 2010, some Christians (including leaders with influence) are continuing to claim — even after hearing many explanations of why their views are not scripturally warranted or scientifically supported — that “if the Bible is true, the earth is young” so “if the earth is not young, the Bible is not true.” These two claims, about a stationary earth and a young earth, are not biblically supported so they are too restrictive, and (according to current science) they are wrong. We should avoid unnecessary restrictions on creation theology, whether the proposed restrictions are based on specific biblical passages (as with a stationary earth or young earth) or (as in Robert Mann's opposition to a multiverse) are based on general biblical principles about the characteristics of God and His creation.
I think the Bible does not support a claim that our universe must be the only universe, that God would not create our universe as part of a multiverse so the only theologically acceptable type of creation is a single universe. The Bible seems to say nothing directly about this question, one way or the other, and current science (when this was written in April 2010) says “we don't know for certain, and maybe we cannot know.”
We should try to avoid restrictions on creation theology unless these restrictions are necessary, based on what the Bible clearly teaches. If a claim really does contradict our Bible-based theology — as in an unscientific assertion that “according to science, divine miracles are impossible” so God could not use any miracles during the history of creation or the history of human salvation — we should challenge this claim and explain why we think it is wrong. But we should avoid “drawing a line in the sand and taking a stand” where this is not necessary. If a creation view is compatible with what is clearly taught in the Bible, this makes the view a theologically acceptable possibility for creation.
But an appropriate creation humility is compatible with humbly explaining, using arguments from theology and science, why we think a particular view is most likely to be true. And this is the goal of Robert in his paper.
Would a MULTIVERSE be compatible with SCIENTIFIC RATIONALITY? ( yes )
RM: "All possible experimental outcomes occur for a given physical system somewhere in the multiverse. Two sets of near-identical observers could measure wildly different outcomes from the same set of conditions, with one set of observers inferring quite distinct forms of scientific regularity. In what sense can we then say science is left with any predictive power? ... Indeed, since everything that can occur does occur, one is ultimately left with a reasonless explanation for any given phenomenon." {147R9-148L3}
For this section it will be useful to review the concepts of universe-types and universe-actualizations and Rational Principle #2.
CR, quoting from my AP/MaoID: Will reliable science be impossible because scientists cannot reject a claim for any event even though it seems extremely improbable, if the event might occursomewhere else in an immense multiverse? For example, will we have to accept implausible claims for a “perpetual motion machine” that violates the probability-based Second Law of Thermodynamics? ..... No, because scientists in a multiverse would not be omnipresent super-observers; they would live in a single universe, and in every universe, whatever is most likely to happen is what is most likely to be observed. Although strange things might be happening somewhere in a multiverse, it's extremely unlikely that strange things will be happening where you are,at the particular here-and-now location in space-and-time where you are making your observations. Therefore, in any universe-type where nature is reliable (where natural process is consistent, as in our universe) science can be based on “the best ways to bet” and it will be reliable, because scientists will not observe frequent highly improbable events (on a “tail” of a probabilistic distribution) that would threaten confidence in their science. We have no reason to think that tail-of-the-distribution events — such as perpetual motion machines (defying the Second Law) or wingless flying cows (defying gravity and aerodynamics) or everyday improbabilities such as Aunt Bertha winning 20 consecutive state lotteries — would be more probable in other universe-types with science (if they exist) compared with our universe-type. And we can imagine some events (such as wingless cows flying around the world?) so improbable that they would NEVER occur in any universe, even in an extremely immense multiverse. Our own science can continue as usual, based on our own universe-specific observations, whether or not we live in a multiverse. What about science and miracles?
RM: "If we decide to restrict science only to our observable patch, then what is the point of introducing the multiverse in the first place? One is also left with the question of how one rules out unlikely outcomes on the basis of chance. Any phenomenon contradicting known science within a patch might just as well be attributed to being in a quirky location in the multiverse. {148L2}"
CR: All actualized-universes of the same universe-type (if different types and actualizations really exist) should develop the same basic scientific principles, although in actualized-universes the differences in initial conditions would lead to different details in their histories of nature, and differences in worldviews-and-culture would produce some variability in the formulations of these principles. But if more than one universe-type has intelligent beings and science, each distinct universe-type will have different scientific principles. {quoted from AP/MaoID}
As explained above, we can "restrict science only to our observable patch." It's not necessary for us to develop a generalized multiverse-science that could explain phenomena everywhere in a multiverse (*) because we can only observe what is happening in our universe, in "our observable patch" where the properties of nature are consistent. Therefore, I don't understand why Mann is protesting against this localized universe-science by asking "what is the point of introducing the multiverse in the first place?" But in addition to developing our localized universe-science, some areas of science (e.g. string theory and multiverse cosmology) could try to develop a “bigger picture” science whose goal is an overall perspective, in the context of multiverse cosmology, on what is happening both inside and outside our universe. But this is different than trying to imagine what science would be like for a universe with nature-properties that differ from our own nature-properties; while this might be possible, it is not necessary.
And phenomena that contradict science could not be attributed to a "quirky location" because, as explained above, we are not omnipresent super-observers so "our own science can continue as usual, based on our own universe-specific observations, whether or not we live in a multiverse."
* In the most popular models of a multiverse, the properties of nature are different in each universe-type (with perhaps 10500 type-variations?) so the science developed in one universe would not be correct in a universe of a different type, re: the results of science. And re: the process of science, developing a generalized multiverse-science would be very complicated and difficult, maybe impossible, because it would be purely theoretical with no empirical foundation using data from other universe-types. But for practical functionality a generalized multiverse-science (that describes the properties of nature in 10500 universe-types, plus their universe-actualizations that have differing initial conditions) would not be necessary; instead, a localized universe-science (including multiverse cosmology) would be sufficient, and it is a worthy goal.
A Change in Science: Although in the excerpts above this is not Mann's concern (re: changes in scientific rationality), one actual change in science is the fact that scientists are now thinking, talking, and writing about a multiverse. Current cosmology is much different now than it was in the 1960s before scientists began developing their sophisticated theories about big bang inflation, string theory, and multiple universes. But there is a difference between human theories and the physical realities that may or may not match our theories. For example, the physical reality of actual orbits did not change between 1500 (when most scientists thought “planets orbit the earth”) and 1700 (when most scientists thought “planets, including earth, orbit the sun”). In this case the new theory was correct, but in other cases a theory is incorrect, as in the 1800s when a theory about luminiferous ether proposed that space is filled with an ether which serves as a medium for the transmission of light waves, and their theory was wrong. Currently it seems that “the jury is still out” on the new cosmological theories, so appropriate humility is justified.
Multiverse Theory — Is it scientific?
Some scientists (and nonscientists) claim that a multiverse theory is not scientific. These claims, made by theists and non-theists, are motivated by wanting to uphold the integrity of science. For some people, but not others, another motive is a desire to defend claims for a designing of nature. Quoting from my AP/MaoID page:
Currently there is no direct observational evidence for a multiverse. But according to most multiverse theories, other universes are in a different space-time framework so in principle they cannot be observed, or they are very far away so in practice they are unobservable. Therefore, the fact that we do not observe any other universe does not count as scientific evidence against theories proposing the existence of many other universes.
Because empirical testing is the foundation of scientific method, but multiverse theories cannot be empirically tested using direct observational evidence, many scientists and philosophers (both theists & non-theists) claim that untestable multiverse theories are philosophical speculations rather than authentically scientific theories.
But could we find indirect observational evidence? The logical foundation of modern science is hypothetico-deductive logic, which permits a theory to propose unobservable entities if these help the theory explain observable outcomes. This is why modern scientific theories proposing the existence of unobservable electrons (in chemistry) and ideas (in psychology) are widely accepted, because these theories — which propose that unobservable causes (electrons and ideas) help to produce the effects we observe — are the most satisfactory explanations for our observations. {Science and Unobservables - The Demise of Positivism}
Why could the if-then logic of hypothetico-deductive reasoning make more people consider a multiverse theory to be more acceptable as being authentically “scientific” ? We'll look at the if-and-if-then reasoning for a specific type of multiverse theory: [IOU - I'll finish this paragraph soon, probably late-night February 6] IF some scientists think that probably String Theory (M-theory) is true and/or scientifically useful, and IF String Theory seems to offer a good explanation for the cosmological inflation we do observe, and IF in these situations many universes (to form a multiverse) would be produced, THEN a multiverse seems probable. [should this be if-if-if-then, or if-if-then?] / the paragraph is very rough from here onward (based on this application of String Theory to inflationary situation) combo of M-theory plus multiverse is useful in hypothetico-deductive logic, and if a combination of “M-theory plus inflation” makes a multiverse possible (or even probable) as a cause and/or effect, this would provide indirect observational evidence for a multiverse.
Science and Miracles
Some people think that science would be impossible if miracles can occur. Although in some ways miracle questions are similar to the multiverse questions examined above, they differ in a very important way. By contrast with a multiverse and its imaginary non-problems, miracles could potentially be an actual problem that would provide a practical reason for us to lose confidence in the reliability of science. In reality, however, this potential problem is not an actual problem for everyday science, because (quoting from my page explaining why claims for inherent conflict between science and religion are exaggerated) "although science would be impossible if we lived in a world with constant ‘Alice in Wonderland’ surprises and no reliable cause-effect relationships, if despite occasional miracles the universe usually operates according to normal natural patterns, science will be possible and useful."
Should scientists distinguish between Imaginative Speculation and Physical Reality? ( yes, we agree )
RM: "The question [for science, philosophy, and theology] is whether all that exists is equivalent to all that is possible. ... A given multiverse theory posits some kind of universe-generating mechanism, and then argues the case for the special features of our universe [being produced naturally without design due to “beating the odds” with a huge number of universes] by contending that the mechanism does generate whatever it can generate... [so] whatever can exist, does exist. ... Is it credible to believe that God created everything [that we can imaginatively propose]? Does God create (by whatever means) whatever can be created, or does the Creator make particular choices? ... What line should be drawn between the possible and the existent? ... These questions cannot be decided by observation and experiment, in that the multiverse paradigm — by definition — asserts that all that exists extends well beyond the capacity of observation. ... It is also far from clear that these questions can be settled by mathematical self-consistency arguments, though there is much effort being expended in this direction. ... Are there theological criteria for drawing a line, even tentatively, between the possible and the existent? If so, what are they? If not, can theology have anything useful to say about the multiverse?" {145R8-146R4}
CR: Agreeing with Robert, I also think we should be asking these questions.
A Summary:
Would a multiverse be scientifically uncontrollable and theologically lethal? ( no )
RM: "The multiverse approach is a conceptual Pandora’s box: once you get started on the idea, it is not clear how or where to stop. Scientifically it can run out of control, and it can be theologically lethal." {145R7}
CR: A multiverse will not seem to be scientifically uncontrollable or theologically lethal if we remember four rational principles: 1 (many things are not everything, because immensity is not infinity); 2 (we are not omnipresent super-observers, we see only what is here-and-now); 2h (if it's OK with God, it's ok with me); 3 (just relax, God is in control). Yes, the concept of a multiverse is difficult to understand or even imagine, especially for people who don't have a scientific background, but we should not exaggerate the weirdness by accepting atheistic multiverse-interpretations that deny the existence and power of God. As explained above (Humility in Creation Theology), we should "avoid a creation theology that is too restrictive, that goes beyond what the Bible teaches."
RM: Listing miscellaneous potential problems with a multiverse, "further examples [in addition to the duplication dilemma] include problems with scientific elegance, empirical testability, spontaneous creation, unbounded evil, purpose, and free will." {148R9}
CR: I don't think these are actual theological problems, for reasons explained earlier. Here are brief comments about where these issues are addressed: scientific elegance and empirical testability (is a multiverse theory scientific? I think Robert will agree that good pro-and-con arguments can be made; to see some of these, and my conclusion that we should be patient and learn what we can rather than prematurely labeling multiverse proposals as non-science so we can ignore them, search for “elegance” and “testing” in my page about The Anthropic Principle: Multiverse and/or Design); unbounded evil, purpose, and free will (these are no more problematic in a multiverse than in a universe; see Principles 3, 2h, and 2, respectively, and their applications for the duplication dilemma & worries that we are not unique); spontaneous creation (I'm not sure what this means, but I think it's about many universes being created “automatically” due to the cosmological physics, which does make me a little uneasy because I prefer the idea of God creating each world individually for a purpose, but if God created our world by using a multiverse that's fine with me, as in the humility of Principle 2h; I don't think Robert is asking about creating massive amounts of mass-energy in many gigantic universes because he is an expert physicist and evidently he and his fellow physicists are satisfied that this is possible, or about creating life - which is discussed in Principle 3 above and Part 2 below).
RM: Mann wonders whether "the multiverse paradigm is scientifically beneficial... [or] can be reconciled with any reasonable form of Christian theology. A far more critical analysis from scientific, philosophical, and theological perspectives needs to be applied in examining the multiverse paradigm." {149L2}
CR: I agree. These questions — about fine tuning and intelligent design, universe and multiverse, regarding science, philosophy, and theology — are important, so they should be carefully examined and thoughtfully discussed. I hope this page makes a useful contribution to our collective logical evaluations.
TO their shame and none belief I point to these answers see how many of them changed per your recollection each change means you are not from this universe. Hyperlink http://mandelaeffect.com/major-memories/ if you are interested.
51 or 52 United States — (Not Puerto Rico, which is a territory, or DC, which is a district.)
Berenstain Bears or Berenstein Bears – Which do you recall? (Still one of the most popular topics at this website.)
Billy Graham’s funeral on TV. As of January 2016, he’s still alive.
Challenger shuttle explosion date? 1984, 1985, or 1986? Winter or another time of year? (PerWikipedia, it was 28 Jan 1986.) Also, alternate memories about the Columbia.
Colors – Chartreuse and more – Many people recall chartreuse as a pink or reddish color. It’s actually yellow-green.
Curious George – Tail or no tail? (He’s never had a tail.) This is part of my article about dual memories.
Ghost Hunters TV show — Some remember the earliest show name as TAPS, not Ghost Hunters.(Yes, we know the real-life team is called TAPS, and some of their gear has always said that.)
Henry VIII portrait with a turkey leg in his hand — Many people clearly recall seeing it in history books, but there’s no record of it, now.
Jif or Jiffy Peanut Butter – Jif peanut butter was never called “Jiffy,” in this timestream. (Not confused with Skippy brand, either.)
Lindbergh baby – Never found? In this timestream, the 20-month old baby was found 12 May 1932.
Mother Teresa – A saint before 2016? Several recall her canonization in the 1990s. They also recall her name spelled “Theresa.”
Nelson Mandela’s death in prison, long before his actual death (in this timestream) on 5 December 2013.
New Zealand’s location, relative to Australia.
Red/blue – Pepsi logo changes, Chevron logo changes, and other color swaps… are they markers, cues, or signs to watch for?
September 22nd or 23rd? – Some people recall events shifting from one of these dates to another. (The reaction to this article — on- and off-site — has been disproportionate to its apparent minor importance.)
Sky – Changes in the sun, moon, stars, planets and their moons, constellation configurations and placement, and the color of the sky in general.
Tiananmen Square – Memories of a young man being run over by a tank. (Might be Mandela Effect issue or simple media manipulation.)
ADDITIONAL REPORTED MEMORIES
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Agatha Christie – Never found after her 1926 disappearance? (In this timestream, she turned up 10 days later, but never explained. Ref: #Disappearance" class="linkified" target="_new">#Disappearance" class="linkified" target="_new">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatha_Christie#Disappearance ) [Comments link 1 – link 2 – link 3.]
Barbara or Barbra Streisand? In this reality, it’s Barbra. (“Barbara” is a common typo, but doesn’t explain all the alternate memories. Many people listed the alternative “Barbara” as one of several memories they have. Individual comment links include this, this, this, and this.)
Betty White – Alive, well, and still feisty at age 93 in March 2015. Some recall her passing.
Brian Dennehy – Alive and well, per Wikipedia, but a few of us have other memories.
Charles Schulz or Schultz? (Creator of Peanuts comics and TV shows including Charlie Brown, Lucy, Snoopy, etc.) The correct spelling in this timestream is Schulz. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_M._Schulz )
Charles Spencer, 9th Earl Spencer – Several people have (privately) reported a memory of his recent death. Wikipedia says still alive.
Coen brothers or Cohen brothers? – American film producers & screenwriters. Note: Different from producers John Cohen (“Ice Age,” “Despicable Me,” etc.), Rob Cohen (“The Mummy,” “The Fast and the Furious,” etc.), and Charles S. Cohen (“Frozen River.”) Not the musicians, either.Comment link.
David Soul – As of October 2015, he’s still alive, healthy, and starring in new productions.
Dick Clark’s death… at least two of them. (Per Wikipedia, he died in April 2012.)
Dick Van Patten – Died prior to his June 2015 death in this timestream?
Dom DeLuise’s death. He died in 2009, but that’s not the only memory people have. 10 related comments, some at Comments 2.
Don Rickles – Still alive in Oct 2015 (per Wikipedia) although some recall his earlier demise.
Ernest Borgnine, death reported years before it happened in 2012.
Forrest J. Ackerman – Died in 2008 in this timeline (per Wikipedia), but others recall alternate, earlier death dates.
Fred Rogers (aka Mister Rogers) – Died in 2003, or later?
Freddie Prinze — Several memories, mostly related to Freddie, Junior, and Sarah Michelle Gellar, and a child born around 2003 or 2004.
Hal Holbrook – Born 1925, and still alive in January 2015. His late wife, Dixie Carter, passed away in 2010. Several remember Mr. Holbrook’s own death & memorials prior to 2010.
Helen Thomas (1920 – 2013), former White House reporter – Some recall an alternate date when she passed.
Henry Ford – Died from cerebral hemorrhage or something else?
Houston family (Whitney’s) – Conflicting memories about her children, after Whitney’s death, but before Bobbi Kristina’s 2015 tragic death.
Jack Palance — An earlier death date than what’s in the current timestream.
Jayne Meadows Allen — Died 2015 or much earlier? (She was an actress, and widow of comedian Steve Allen.)
Jerry Lewis – Remembered death late in 2013 or early 2014. Still alive in Oct 2014. (Different from Jerry Lee Lewis, the colorful singer/songwriter.)
Jim Henson – Died of complications from a strep infection, or from cancer? (In this timestream, initially reported as walking pneumonia. Seehttps:#Illness_and_death" class="linkified" target="_new">#Illness_and_death" class="linkified" target="_new">//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Henson#Illness_and_death )
Jimmy Swaggart — Report dead, but still alive as of July 2012.
John Denver’s death — When and where? In this reality, 12 Oct 1997 near Monterrey Bay, California.
John Lennon — Date of death is 8 Dec 1980, but some have clear memories of a different date.
John Lennon & Yoko Ono – The location of 1969 “bed-in for peace.” (If you remember this, note the location before checking Wikipedia for the details.)
Jon Bon Jovi – Some recall a startling, mid-1990s lifestyle announcement.
Kathie Lee Gifford or Kathy Lee Gifford? In this reality, it’s always been “Kathie.”
Katy Perry – Memories of her using the name Kate, not Katy.
Leonard DiCaprio – Won an Oscar before 2016? Some recall earlier nominations and awards, as well as his 2016 acceptance speech, but years earlier.
Li Qi – Chinese comedian with a reported death, still alive in early 2014.
Louie Anderson – Alive and well now, but his death (and therefore cancellation of his TV show) at some point in the past. (Not confused with John Candy and other comedians.)
Muhammad Ali – 2009 death? Still alive (early 2015) per Wikipedia.
Neil Armstrong died in 2013, not 2012? Also, some are sure he made a ‘Mr. Gorsky’ reference during his lunar voyage. (Latter debunked in this timestream by Snopes, but does anyone actually recall hearing it?)
Patrick Swayze, his full recovery reported after his tragic death in this reality.
Peter Fonda – He’s still alive. (Not confusing him with his dad, actor Henry Fonda, who died in 1982.)
Peter Townsend or Peter Townshend — Spelling change? (One is a singer-songwriter for The Who. The other is an American drummer.)
Reba McIntyre or Reba McEntire? – Decide how you remember it before visiting her official website or Wikipedia to see the real spelling.
Richard Chamberlain – Did not die in the 1990s. Still alive (as of Oct 2015), and – related memory – James Franciscus was not his brother.
Robert Crumb — Death reported, 1990s. Still alive (July 2015). Artist responsible for Fritz the Catand the iconic Keep on Truckin’ graphic, etc.
Robert Stack — Earlier death reports.
Rod Serling or Rod Sterling? Some recall the latter spelling, not as a typo.
Rodney King – Some have alternate memories of his death, including one during the infamous incident in 1991.
Shirley Temple — Some recall her death long prior to 10 Feb 2014.
Sinbad – Did he ever play a genie in a major movie? Did he ever play a genie, full stop?
Terry Pratchett – According to some, he died shortly after the announcement of his illness (2013), instead of March 2015.
Will Smith and Jada Pinkett – Divorced ~10 years ago? (2015: Still listed as a happy couple. He divorced a previous wife in 1995.)
William Daniels (actor) – Did not die in the early 2000s. Still alive (
Yogi Berra (athlete) – Died 22 Sep 2015, but some recall an earlier death.
More events… when and where?
9/11 – Did it happen on 9/11, as most people remember, or on 9/10, as some recall?
Thanksgiving (USA) – The third or the fourth Thursday in November? (Since 1941, it’s always on the fourth Thursday.)
Weather – Hurricane Katrina: April or August 2005, or another year altogether?
Writers’ strike in Hollywood – 2007-2008 or some other year (21st century only)?
More geography
Geography — Locations and sizes of New Zealand. Locations of Australia, Honduras, Japan, Manchuria, and more.
Adam’s Bridge (also Ram Setu, Rama Setu, Setubandhanam, and other names) – Some recall it fully above sea level in the mid-late 20th century, while historical records (in this timestream) say it was partially submerged — due to a cyclone — in the late 15th century. (ref:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam%27s_Bridge )
Alaska – Coastline radically different.
Arctica – Hasn’t existed for a very long time.
Japan – Where do you recall it, in relation to China?
Korea – N. Korea borders Russia? That’s what maps show.
Madagascar – Location and general geography. Not just a map issue.
Mongolia – Part of China or a separate country? And where is/was it?
Sri Lanka location, due south of India, not southeast. (Also see ancient maps at this article about geography changes, in general.)
Wales – East or west of England and Scotland? (It’s west. From London, take the M25 west to the M4, and follow the M4 into Wales.)
More media (TV, films, books, magazines)
Big (the movie) – Alternate ending. (Not confused with 13 Going on 30.)
The Candidate, or The Campaign — One movie, one and a remake, two movies, or now three… and did the title change? (Solved, maybe: See the related HuffPost page. Compare the article title and the inset video clip title.)
Carmen Sandiego (“Where in the World Is…”) – Some recall a yellow trench coat, long before the red one. Comment link.
Cinderella – Some recall an alternate central character or characters.
Cruella DeVille or De Vil? – It’s the latter, in this Disney’s 101 Dalmatians movie reference. [See comment.]
Different Strokes or Diff’rent Strokes? – It’s the latter, though many recall otherwise and some TV listings support that.
Duggars – Was the show (briefly) “21 Kids and Counting”?
Forrest Gump – Was the most famous line “Life IS like a box of chocolates…” or “Life WAS like a box of chocolates…”? In this reality, it’s the latter. (However, both lines were used in connection with the movie, so this isn’t necessarily a Mandela Effect.)
Fred Rogers’ song, “Won’t You Be My Neighbor” – Some recall “It’s a beautiful day in theneighborhood.” In this reality, it’s “It’s a beautiful day in this neighborhood.”? (Seehttp://www.neighborhoodarchive.com/music/songs/wont_you_be_my_neighbor.html andhttps://youtu.be/zMUGJZrR9Jg.)
Gremlins character (movie) – Spike or Stripe? The only reliable sources say it was always Stripe, not Spike.
Hand gestures in movies – Do you recall different hand gestures in movies? For example, a more elaborate hand gesture by Antonio Banderas, with a candle, in Interview with the Vampire? Seethe YouTube clip from the movie, around the 2:03 point. I’m looking for very specific descriptions of the alternate gesture.
Independence Day (movie) — Characters now missing from a major scene? (This has been reported privately, twice, and we’re looking for confirmation from others.)
Interview with a Vampire, or Interview with the Vampire – Actually, both titles were used on published book, in this reality. So, this isn’t a clear Mandela Effect issue.
It’s the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown, and related topics – Did the Great Pumpkin appear near the end of the holiday special, or was it just Snoopy’s shadow? Was the cartoonist Charles Schultz or Charles Schulz? (In both cases, it was the latter in this reality.)
Jurassic Park – Original movie: Some recall a now-missing scene.
Justice League – Check the characters you’re remembering and see if one is missing.
K-PAX (movie) – Starred Kevin Spacey or Nicholas Cage? (In this timestream, it’s Spacey.)
Looney Tunes or Looney Toons? – Several conflicting memories.
Married with Children – Some recall one character played by two different actors.
M.A.S.H. (TV series) – Some recall the in-series death of Walter “Radar” O’Reilly. However, that wasn’t part of the story in this timestream.
Mirror, Mirror – In “Snow White,” did the evil queen say “Mirror, mirror…” or “Magic mirror…”? (In Disney’s Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, the Queen says, “Magic mirror.”)
Mystery Science Theater — Variations of the numbers following show name (mostly 2000 or 3000, but a few recall 4000).
Sex and the City – Some are sure it was “Sex in the City” when it first aired.
Star Trek memories, including: Chakotay character killed, then returns — several episodes later — without much explanation. (I’ve talked about this — in person — with Robert Beltran, who played the character. He’s sure that version was never written or filmed.)
Star Wars – Was the iconic line “Luke, I am your father” or “No, I am your father”? Also a missing scene. (Not just “deleted.”)
Terminator (and other movie) variations, “remembered” before the deleted scenes were available on DVD. Alternate late scenes and endings reported, as well.
Who Framed Roger Rabbit? (movie) – Different ending after initial release? Different title?
X-Men – Some reports of alternate abilities for Professor X.
Movies remembered before they were released
The following movies have been “remembered” by people, months or years before each movie was actually released. When each person saw the film he or she reported, it was like deja vu. (Year noted is when the film was released in this reality.)
Flushed Away (2006)
More news reports
Twins… that aren’t – Reports of people who look exactly like someone’s twin (not just “somewhat like”) but aren’t actually twins. Different from doppelgangers, and more like the same physical design appearing again. Two alternates temporarily in the same reality…? (See this comment and thread for more.)
Whitey Bulger — Alleged Boston (MA, USA) gangster, did not die in 2013, in this reality. He’s still alive (as of August 2014).
More politics and political leaders
Abraham Lincoln – Alternate death. Alternate death date of son, Tad, as well.
Fidel Castro – Still alive (per Wikipedia in early 2016), but some recall a 2011 death.
Martin Luther King, Jr. — Shot with a handgun, at close range, or another cause of death?
Muammar Gaddafi — Some death memories from years before he was killed (in this timestream), and a couple of memories of him fleeing his country.
Mussolini – Looks different in recent historical photos. Not just different photos from what are in older news articles and textbooks, but a different man.
Osama bin Laden – Death reported in 2001 in the Middle East and elsewhere, with obituaries.
Ronald Reagan — Varying memories about when he was president, and when and how he died.
More pop culture
Brian Williams’ memories – A high-profile example of Mandela Effect, a blunder, or something else?
Gaming – Alternate Versions…? Several reports related to different games, online and off.
Life cereal commercial (1970s) – Did Mikey like everything, eat everything (or “eats anything”), orhate everything? (In this reality, it was “he hates everything.”) See Comment thread.
Music – lyrics, tracks, videos, and more – All music-related topics are discussed at this article.
Sara Lee products slogan/jingle – Some recall “Nobody doesn’t like Sara Lee,” (1960s’ commercial: https://youtu.be/Iirw147LHkQ ) but others recall it as “Nobody does it like Sara Lee.” And, they’re clear that they didn’t just mis-hear it.
Volvo car symbol (the badge/icon/logo on the car)… Some recall a major change.
Spelling (names)
Berenstein – Berenstain (Bears books, etc.)
Dettol – Dettox (cleaning products)
Febreeze – Febreze
Fruit Loops – Froot Loops (breakfast cereal)
Jiffy – Jif (peanut butter)
Kathy Lee Gifford – Kathie Lee Gifford (entertainer)
Kate Perry – Katy Perry (entertainer)
Liason – Liaison
Looney Tunes or Looney Toons
MacDonald’s – McDonald’s (restaurant)
Oscar Meyer or Oscar Mayer? – Processed meat products’ brand name. (See comments.)
Pete Townsend – Pete Townshend (drummer for The Who)
Reba McIntyre – Reba McEntire (entertainer)
Sketchers – Skechers (footwear brand name – It’s Skechers in this reality.)
Western Sizzler – Western Sizzlin – Name in this timestream is Western Sizzlin (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Sizzlin%27 ). Even FB pages lists Western Sizzler (ref: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Western-Sizzler-Auburn-Alabama/183908811678962 ).
(In every case, the latter spelling is correct in this reality.)
More spelling (dictionary)
Definitely or definately? Apparently, it’s the most misspelled word in the English language, but where did “definately” come from and why do people remember being taught that spelling in school…?
Dilemma or dilemna? A lot of people seem to recall the latter (the version with an N), but — in this timestream — it looks like that was never the correct spelling.
Other topics
Disney theme parks
Disney World – Some people remember entering the Magic Kingdom through the castle. A second, alternate memory: Everything else matched the current timestream, but the castle was much closer to the end of Main Street. (At Disney World, not Disneyland.)
Disney World – Some people recall taking a monorail from the Orlando airport directly to the Disney World property. The Orlando airport has a train, not a monorail, and it doesn’t take people to Disney World.
Disney World – A separate theme park in the Orlando (Florida) area. Maybe intended as a beta test site for attraction concepts? It’s not an abandoned park or project, and it’s much smaller (in acreage) than the main WDW property. Two main areas: (1) The theme park, and (2) one crescent-shaped building with shops and restaurants, plus one larger hotel on the other side of it. Generally, the theme park attractions are multi-level. (Note: Not confused with Universal Studios’ theme parks.)
Mars – No moons or two moons?
Segway – Available in beta around 1996? (No. The company was started in 1999, and the product was in pre-production, limited release in 2002. Ref.)
so they took down the site.. humor.. my own reality is such
South America is below North America ie Santiago Chile is a 11 to 9.5 hour flight to San Fransico.
Penelope is the princess in Wreck it Ralph.
Bernard is the Captain in Grimm television program.
Japan is south of South Korea there is no Japan Sea
New Zealand is north of Australia and one island not two.
La Paz, Bolivia is at 73 degrees year round no snow not cold ever.
Abe Lincoln is a senator not representative. ie for those conspiracy theorist Kennndy was a senator so was Lincoln.
There was no Montauk project in my world. No ITT company. China Motor was not used in Bolivia due to their engines not working well.
Obama visited Vietnam to apologies for the Vietnam war. Obama apologies to the Japanese for US dropping the Atom bomb.